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Marco

21-01-2020, 10:39

Hi everybody, and happy new year! Yes, I know january is about to end and so the global "New Year" message must be sent at the beginning (and also: Orthodox Christmas and New Year have passed, too) but... I was waiting for chinese "lunar" new year! :D :china:

Ok, 2 weeks ago we received a new modem from Vodafone (they called my father proposing a change of the ISP: we were with italian Telecom before) and last friday I activated the "new" internet line. The modem is Vodafone "Power Station".

What I can notice is that on my speedtest Upload speed is double (0.80; I had between 0.36 and 0.41 before; Download speed didn't change, though).

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The point is: I cannot change QoS/bandwidth flows. I've never used modem+router, but I still have the TP-Link AC1200-Archer VR400 we were using since 2018. From that one I was able to change bandwidth flow priorities. I was always wondering what the LAN/WAN port was for. Is it for routing? Before trying, I would like to know whether it is a good idea or not....

Thanks in advance.

P. S. 200 Messages? What theeeee?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
I'm a supaa membaa now! :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam:

Supersniper98

21-01-2020, 15:11

red3ninja

22-01-2020, 00:39

Maybe ping matters more.
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Marco

23-01-2020, 21:42

Happy New Year!) Ouh, I have Vodafone too... and internet in Greece in general is very bad, I live in the center of Athens and i have the same upload speed as you !! Download is 13 at best... and ping 20... actually it is worse for me to where you measured lol
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Why don't you configure QoS in Windows instead if you can't in router? I thought it works too... And yes LAN/WAN port you can see in port forwarding menu:
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Thank you for your reply, Sniper. How do I do this? Command prompt or Shared Connections Center?

Also, with Windows method, do I have to configure every single notebook and smartphone in the house? Look, I'd like to use at least 65% of total speed (approx. 0.52 Mbps).

Curiosity: I bet the connection in your screen is ADSL/ADSL2+, isn't it? I can't believe it, how is it possible that a city connection has same upload as mine from the remote farm??? :blink:

Maybe ping matters more.
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Ping only matters depending on the type of the line (FTTH, HFC or ADSL) and its speed. But that's not the point (infact a player with a higher ping can beat an opponent with lower ping, if the first one is at least 120% skilled than the second). The point is that when you have to share an internet connection, you need at least some bandwidth for gaming. And the paradox is that "your" smartphone (not actually your one, I only looked at your screenshot; let's say my brother's phone) :D in Wi-Fi, when watching The Simpsons on YouTube, can "eat" most of the line than my netbook linked to the modem with an ethernet cable when I'm playing Serious Sam if the QoS policies are not properly configured. :)

Supersniper98

23-01-2020, 23:03

Thank you for your reply, Sniper. How do I do this? Command prompt or Shared Connections Center?
Also, with Windows method, do I have to configure every single notebook and smartphone in the house? Look, I'd like to use at least 65% of total speed (approx. 0.52 Mbps).
You mean QoS? you forgot? Group Policy editor!)

Curiosity: I bet the connection in your screen is ADSL/ADSL2+, isn't it? I can't believe it, how is it possible that a city connection has same upload as mine from the remote farm??? :blink:

Yeah it's ADSL2+, I don't know, Greece is Greece xD
Even though Athens is half-decently covered with at least 50 mbps, somehow there is a hole in that coverage where I live, right in the center of Athens.

Marco

24-01-2020, 16:12

You mean QoS? you forgot? Group Policy editor!)

Sorry, do you mean this?

Small trick to prioritize the UDP pockets sent to the game server:

Using windows QoS (Quality of Service) - you can add new policy changing the UDP packets priority when sent to the server.
(42amsterdam already has this policy ...so the traffic sent to the client has max priority.)

To add the policy on your home computer:

Open Group Policy Editor

Run: gpedit.msc

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In the left list - navigate to Computer Configuration => Windows Settings => Policy-based QoS

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In menu Action select Create New Policy

In the new dialog - give the name to the new policy
and change DSCP value to 63 (possible values 0-63 where 63 has the highest priority)

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Next - you can either allow all UDP traffic to be prioritized or specify only the executable of serious sam (SeriousSam.exe)

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Next - You can leave that on "Any" ..unless you want to restrict it to specific IP

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Next - Select UDP protocol to be prioritized
Additionally - either all possible ports or you can restrict to just few

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After this - all UDP traffic from your game - will be re-scheduled with high priority
For anyone who's hosting servers - you can add specific policies for DedicatedServer.exe to ensure that all UDP traffic is delivered to all game clients.

Actually - using those policies - you can prioritize all traffic for your game executable.

here is how i've set it up on 42 server

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TCP traffic set only to all SE executables

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UDP - everything set to high priority

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you could specify the serioussam.exe ...or just for specific ports either way is good

Yeah, I forgot that and it didn't come to my mind at that moment. :D It has been more than a whole year from that post. :doh: :doh: :doh: :funny: :funny: :funny:

Ok, I'll try to edit Group Policies with specific values. Btw, I have to up the thread I quoted above, too. Tonight or tomorrow...

Yeah it's ADSL2+, I don't know, Greece is Greece xD
Even though Athens is half-decently covered with at least 50 mbps, somehow there is a hole in that coverage where I live, right in the center of Athens.

Damn it! :o This sounds pretty unlucky. :(

red3ninja

24-01-2020, 22:48

red3ninja

25-01-2020, 00:57

How much the internet uses Serious Sam.
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1 Mbit = 125 KB
5.41 KB = 0.04328 Mbit

I remember when I had 10mb of internet I had the same ping as I do now.
For example on GZ servers, I've always had 120 and above ping.

Marco

25-01-2020, 22:55

Just in Bulgaria, even if you are from a village with 10 people, there is good internet.

:eek: And we have good internet (fiber) only in the most important cities or in those ones with at least 10000+ people living in. :pitiful: And Sardinia is even worse than Italy... :D

The price for 50mb is about 7$ аnd for 100mb it's about $ 8.50.

US Dollars? So, 7$ (based on today's currency) are 6,35€ and 8,50$ are 7,71€. I would like to ask you: those prices are calculated per month, every 2 months or per year?

You know, 5-6 years ago I was gathering informations about internet connections in Spain (but later I had to give up the idea about going there), I visited many blogs discussing this in spanish, and my mouth ended up to keep open for 3 weeks in a row. The most important company in Spain (Telefónica Movistar) offered 100Mb fiber (pure fiber, FTTH) for something like 77€ (84,90$) per year. Minor companies, such as Jazztel, Fibra ONO, etc, even 58€ (63,95$) per year... ok, maybe these numbers could be incorrect a bit, but not that much, I swear. Also, those spanish dudes I read from, were talking about a trick to apply in modem settings to get symmetrical speed (100Down/100Up) if the company gave you only 10Mb in Upload...
:eek2:

In Italy, you spend 29,99€ (33,07$) for only 30Mb and you have 3Mb in upload. I don't remember correctly if per month or every 2 months, but at the end of the year you pay much more than in Spain and Bulgaria together anyway! :pitiful:

Otherwise, they would not go to [...]Germany.

[...] Many other things are expensive.

I can confirm this: my brother met his bulgarian girlfriend right there, during the Erasmus 5 years ago. :yes:

She told us, for example, ham is very expensive in Bulgaria, in fact when she is here she likes to eat ham. :)

If you want a nice internet, buy a cheap house in a small village in Bulgaria.

Thanks, I'll think about it! :tup: I could ask my brother's girlfriend if she finds one for me in 2023-24... :lol:

my old desktop computer AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ 2Ghz. This is a problematic cpu for Serious Sam. Anyone who has had such a cpu knows what I'm talking about.

Heh, then you didn't try how painful are Intel Atom N2600 or N2800... They don't even reach 2 Ghz, max 1,86! :P

If the ping is small but variable, then there is a lot of lag.

Exactly! In 7+ years playing this game online I had this issue: lag due to variable ping! But you know why? It happens most notably with ADSL, that is more unstable than optical fiber (ok, you would say: "but it happens with fiber as well"; I have no doubt about that, but I'm sure there would be 100x times less packet loss), because ADSL uses copper cable while fiber uses light speed.

How much the internet uses Serious Sam.
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1 Mbit = 125 KB
5.41 KB = 0.04328 Mbit

I remember when I had 10mb of internet I had the same ping as I do now.
For example on GZ servers, I've always had 120 and above ping.

First of all, I would look much more at Upload rather than Download.

Now, I was about to revive another thread, but I will write here. Sorry, this will take a long time to read. I've been attempting to create NetSettings tweaks, which would fit my internet line, for years now.

Which settings do you use? Default? Custom? There are a lot of variables you have to take care.

Ok, it's been a long while since my last "custom" script. So, I'll need a lesson review. :D Let's take some advantage from Supersniper's knowledge (if he is reading me). :lol:

During the last days I came back to read about what to put in MinBPS and MaxBPS values. And I read again what Melody wrote (well, if you don't know her... she is a genius-girl...) about mebibits, and such stuff. So, by reading at Wikipedia, I found this:

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And Croteam, in its ShellSymbols.txt, wrote:

cli_iMaxBPS:
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Server side client configurable.
Controls upper limit on outgoing traffic from client to server during
connection. This limits overload on the client's connection.
Determined in bytes per second.
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cli_iMinBPS:
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Server side client configurable.
Controls lower limit on outgoing traffic from client to server during play
time. If higher than minimum needed to keep the connection, it will cause
replicated packets from server to client. That is good because it compensates
for lost packets. But setting it too high can choke a clients incoming
bandwidth.
Determined in bytes per second.

Now, since I found that the IEC binary units are used only for RAM or Storage drives, data transfer rates still work in decimal units (International System). So I got confused when reading Melody last time.

So, we were talking about MinBPS and MaxBPS. Let's start with MaxBPS. Look at my speedtest above. In decimal units, I have 0.80Mbps. In bits per second, it is 800000. If you convert it to Bytes per second, it will be 100000. But I want to use 65% of the speed. 100000 x 0.65 = 65000 Bytes per second (520000 in bits per second). In MaxBPS I will use 65000. Supersniper will correct me if I am totally wrong about this.

But look now at Melody' solution: if I consider 0.80Mibps (Mebibit per second), I should go to Kyle's converter (http://www.kylesconverter.com/data-storage/), convert the value and then put much more numbers.
In fact, 0.80Mibps are equal to 838860,8 bits.
Following Melody's method, you have to subtract 10% from this value (if you wish to use total speed): 838860,8 - 83886,08 = 754974,72. Converted in Bytes per second is 94371,84. But Melody also says: in case of odd number, you have to approximate to an even number: 94372.

A total mess! Also, I find this method is wrong because simple bits shouldn't have decimal numbers (or I missed something halfway...).

So, I decided to look at the default scripts and I found Croteam clearly used decimal units (megabits instead of mebibits). And when you use them, you will obtain, let's say, "full" (10000BPS = 0.08Mbps) or "half" (12500BPS, which are 0.10Mbps) values in the latter case, as in my results listed above (again, 65000). Simple as that. No commas, no stuff over there, no numbers totally different one to each other. Just exact values, what you need.

Now MinBPS. If you go to other websites, people wrote that the best setting would have been MinBPS=0. But if you apply such value, the game will always reset it to 100, which is the minimum of the minimum.

In the other hand, even Fix42Mod AdvancedSettings tab suggests you to use a minimum of 5000 bytes in MinBPS for stability.

So, my guess would be to use a high value for MinBPS. 10000BPS are 0.08Mbps. For my connection, I would set this, or even 0.10Mbps effective (12500 Bytes per second). This way, you should still have some packets to send guaranteed (but I feel the value could be even higher: 0.30Mbps --> 37500 Bytes per second) when your network is congested (but I still have to test). Attention: we are talking about MinBPS, not Max!

In 2017 I found out this when I tried to use MinBPS=0 (no, 100!) and MaxBPS=1000 (sometimes even 999). Well, the game kept locking down and the ping raised around 500-700 milliseconds. The netgraph became fully green. :funny:

Other things you have to look at are cli_bPrediction and cli_iMaxPredictionSteps.
If you look at the LAN netsetting of Sam, bPrediction is set to 0 (while it is 1 in the other ones).

Then there are PredictionSteps. In late 2017 I found out that those prevent you from moving correctly. In Shotty Complex server (not Amsterdam, but russian server), I tried to set PredictionSteps to 3. What happened? It turned out that when I was walking towards +50 Health, my 3rd person sprite had some glitches and I didn't reach the item. I needed 3 more steps to get the Health pack.

I could be wrong about this, but I set everything to 0 and I don't have that glitch anymore.

Also, another variable is cli_iBufferActions. The most common values are 1 and 2. Looks like that when you set it to 1, you have your actual ping or however the lowest ping possible, but the game has more lags. In the other hand, when this variable is set to 2, your ping will add 50 more milliseconds to your actual ping, but there will be less lags.

Personally I don't like cli_iBufferActions=2, because I can't even aim, mouselooking becomes very jerky and slow.
When I use cli_iBufferActions=1 instead, I have lots of yellow lines in netgraph, my aim moves too fast left-right during the initial minutes (if I'm aiming with double shotgun or sniper), but mouselooking is more responsive and after a while ping gets stable (even if it raises from 110 to 179, without changing to 2). I find aiming is billions times better with Bufferactions=1 rather than 2.
Perhaps Supersniper98 will tell you the opposite, since he always told me in chat "I use BufferActions=2 and problem solved". :lol:

Choosing the best solution is up to you.

I know that Google Translate, I'm going to mess things up again. And you will not understand me correctly.

Oops, when I use it I mess up everything if I have to translate from italian to russian... :pitiful:

P. S. The only player I know from this screen is Vampir from Bulgaria. Is it you?

red3ninja

26-01-2020, 01:06

P. S. The only player I know from this screen is Vampir from Bulgaria. Is it you?

Of course it's me!
The most annoying player who doesn't know what he's doing, but somehow it works out.
Sometimes I laugh a lot, at myself. :lol:
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About the Internet - the price is for a month.
If you pay for the year, two accounts are deducted.
I decided to open a calculator. 12(BGN) = 6.77(USD); 13(BGN)=7.33(USD); 15(BGN)=8.46(USD)

Supersniper98

27-01-2020, 02:36

I live in the outskirts of town - imagine the forest. I'm also from a small town (8071 people inhabited). Just in Bulgaria, even if you are from a village with 10 people, there is good internet. The price for 50mb is about 7$ аnd for 100mb it's about $ 8.50. And this is expensive for us. I want to complain that there were times when many people were without electricity.
Because even though the internet is currently available. Many other things are expensive. And people's salaries are small. Otherwise, they would not go to Greece, where there is a crisis. They would not go to the Czech Republic, France or Germany. They would not leave their home country and live elsewhere. Because it's beautiful here.
I don't want to say anything bad or offend anyone.
I know that everyone has needs and is where they think they are getting it.

To avoid misunderstanding with Google translate etc:

Да интернета в България е много хубав, и не - изобщо не е скъп! Тук с техните огромни такси и по принцип несправедливите им цени, за 100/100 трябва да платиш 80 € на месец (без-лимитен) а пък него го няма и навсякъде така че останалите сме на 20 € на месец за 24/1... Колкото и да са низки заплатите в България - не вярвам да са 10х по-високи тук или нещо такова че да трябва да плащаме такава цена. Изобщо не е зле, България има (според някои източници) 5-я най-евтин интернет в света след Украйна, Русия, Румъния и Венецуела!) А в по-големите градове е още по-хубаво, 50/50 можеш да намериш във всеки ъгъл! За ситуацията с България тук съм съгласен но не, вече никой не е толкова луд да отиде в Гърция, ако да - тогава е защото имат някой познат тук, а иначе всички останали (включително и родителите ми) имат 10+ години в Гърция... сега се ходи повече в Европа, поради очевидни причини естествено. Аз съм роден тук и кой знае- може някой ден да се прибера)

Translation:

Yes the internet in Bulgaria is very good, and no - it isn't expensive at all! Here with their massive taxes and generally unfair prices, for 100/100 you have to pay 80 € per month (unlimited) and it is not even available everywhere so the rest of us are on 20 € per month 24/1... No matter how low the salaries are in Bulgaria - I don't believe they are 10x higher here or something so that we have to pay such a price. It is not bad at all, Bulgaria has (according to some sources) the 5th cheapest internet in the world after Ukraine, Russia, Romania and Venezuela!) And in the bigger cities it's even better, you can find 50/50 in every corner! About the situation in Bulgaria i have to agree but no, nobody is crazy enough to go to Greece now, if so - then it is because they have a person they know here, otherwise the rest (including my parents) are 10+ years in Greece... now people go more in Europe, for obvious reasons of course. I am born here and who knows- maybe i will return some day)

I've been attempting to create NetSettings tweaks, which would fit my internet line, for years now.

Which settings do you use? Default? Custom? There are a lot of variables you have to take care.

Ok, it's been a long while since my last "custom" script. So, I'll need a lesson review. Let's take some advantage from Supersniper's knowledge (if he is reading me).

LOL) I use an empty script for over 2 years now because in reality you only need to configure 5 settings and they change according to situation via bind... so idk what are you still trying to figure out here)

During the last days I came back to read about what to put in MinBPS and MaxBPS values. And I read again what Melody wrote (well, if you don't know her... she is a genius-girl...) about mebibits, and such stuff.

Sorry Marco - nothing genius here. 80 % of Melody's guides about SS are obvious, impractical or downright wrong. Otherwise there are some useful guides but this advice is not 1 of them. Give me ONE reason why you go to mebibits and started this bullshit that I am not even gonna quote coz it is massive when your internet speed is measured in MEGABITS (WHY do you consider your internet is 0.80 Mibps when it is not?!?!) and you are required to convert this value to BYTES (yes BYTES not some other stuff), so just do that!!!! I have no idea what you are trying to do but anyway, I have the same upload as you but I didn't look at this when setting Max/Min BPS values, I looked at download since as you can see in Vampir's screenshot it uses more of that... and yeah I use maximum value for Max and a bit lower for Min BPS, didn't notice any practical difference if you stuck this one too at max but I just leave a small gap for no reason. And I am happy with that 2 YEARS so you can too lolo

On the topic of Melody- she uses her "knowledge" out of place like this as shown above and confuse only people like you. And then they call her genius...... I have never seen an actual smart person arrogant enough to call him/herself smart/genius in his/her own STEAM PROFILE man! Even if other people tell him/her that! So please don't take this stuff for granted, use logic first!
Don't get me wrong! She can be really skilled in alot of areas you know, but this what you wrote was some bullshit (will need some context on it probably).

In the other hand, even Fix42Mod AdvancedSettings tab suggests you to use a minimum of 5000 bytes in MinBPS for stability.

No, such menu does not exist, maybe you confuse it with my old (outdated and with mistakes) Network Settings menu, and yeah I am right. In every single script made by Croteam you will not see value under 3000 (unless it is Old Modem but fuck that setting, it is broken and sometimes will cause your ping to increase infinitely) and this is for a REASON ... now some people say that they are OK but I tested on 2 networks and 3 computers - putting it to 0 causes red spikes in graph so suit yourself....

Other things you have to look at are cli_bPrediction and cli_iMaxPredictionSteps.
If you look at the LAN netsetting of Sam, bPrediction is set to 0 (while it is 1 in the other ones).

Then there are PredictionSteps. In late 2017 I found out that those prevent you from moving correctly. In Shotty Complex server (not Amsterdam, but russian server), I tried to set PredictionSteps to 3. What happened? It turned out that when I was walking towards +50 Health, my 3rd person sprite had some glitches and I didn't reach the item. I needed 3 more steps to get the Health pack.

I could be wrong about this, but I set everything to 0 and I don't have that glitch anymore.

Wtf nice man, if you have predictions off this did nothing. If you had them on this turned them essentially off) You have to set this value to your maximum ping that you would get, I get max 200 ms, so i set this value to 4 (4x50ms=200)... I don't have 100 % proof that higher values impact anything, but I think it is harder to play if value is too high (enemies are too fast or something....) idk test for yourself, but generally it will possibly save some CPU when predicting (it will predict for 200 ms as opposed to the default 500) but I don't have 100 % proof on this either.
0 = predicting for 0 ms (not predicting)

Also, another variable is cli_iBufferActions. The most common values are 1 and 2. Looks like that when you set it to 1, you have your actual ping or however the lowest ping possible, but the game has more lags. In the other hand, when this variable is set to 2, your ping will add 50 more milliseconds to your actual ping, but there will be less lags.

Personally I don't like cli_iBufferActions=2, because I can't even aim, mouselooking becomes very jerky and slow.
When I use cli_iBufferActions=1 instead, I have lots of yellow lines in netgraph, my aim moves too fast left-right during the initial minutes (if I'm aiming with double shotgun or sniper), but mouselooking is more responsive and after a while ping gets stable (even if it raises from 110 to 179, without changing to 2). I find aiming is billions times better with Bufferactions=1 rather than 2.
Perhaps Supersniper98 will tell you the opposite, since he always told me in chat "I use BufferActions=2 and problem solved".

No) Please make a bind to switch between the 2 settings (Buffer 1 and 2), and if you have predictions off you can't aim because there is too massive delay.... turn them back on , it is not the end of the world! And Buffer 1 will make you feel all your lags coming from lack of good CPU too so I do not recommend it for that! Simple! When you get lags on 1, put it on 2.... wait for a bit (3-5 minutes) or wait until your ping increases by 50, and switch back! Unless your lags are full-time then don't even bother moving it from 2, trust me it is not so hard to play with 150 if you get used to it. AND YES your ping WILL BE 130-150 as opposed to 170-180 you have now because of better BPS values.... if you increase them to max not only your stability improves but your ping drops too... oh yeah and loading times are faster did I mention that? :| So USE MAX MAX BPS- CLOSED)

Marco

27-01-2020, 16:06

LOL) I use an empty script for over 2 years now

What is an "empty" script? A totally blank Notepad page??? :blink:

Sorry Marco - nothing genius here

No, it's me that I'm sorry... for my italianglish.. I would mean, addressed to ninja/Vampir, that, in short, Melody is a "genius", if he was wondering "Мелодй кто?".

so idk what are you still trying to figure out here)

And, about figuring out: I mean a "refresh", because I don't touch such stuff since november 2018... :D

80 % of Melody's guides about SS are obvious, impractical or downright wrong. Otherwise there are some useful guides but this advice is not 1 of them. Give me ONE reason why you go to mebibits and started this bullshit that I am not even gonna quote coz it is massive when your internet speed is measured in MEGABITS (WHY do you consider your internet is 0.80 Mibps when it is not?!?!) and you are required to convert this value to BYTES (yes BYTES not some other stuff), so just do that!!!!

And what did I write? <_< I also used different colors to identify... Nevermind.. I badly explained that.

I recalled the melodiness of Melody's melodies (ok, enough with YTPs sentence mixing...) because I remembered about that and I wondered: how did that stuff work? It was mainly for verifying purposes.
I remember she quoted a Wiki page about measurement units, but when I googled "Mebibits", one of the results was "Data-transfer rates" (certainly not what I read 15+ months ago from her posts). And I cut this part:

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Conclusion: Melody was wrong, and my bad if I read at it and gave it a try (at that time I didn't notice exact values of Croteam scripts and I didn't even read carefully ShellSymbols.txt yet).

I know, my previous "vegetables soup" (oh, no, :pitiful: again: fokkin' italianglish! :dohdoh: ) was unreadable for you. But I (almost) wrote the same things:

- I found Melody's method the craziest;

- I wrote my 0.80 Mbps (NOT Mibps) are 800000 bits;

- I wrote that if I follow Melody-the-genius-mermaid method, I should have 838860,8 bits which is an incorrect value since bits couldn't be decimal, followed by "A total mess!" expression;

- I colored bits and Megabits in bold black, Bytes in bold green and Mebibits in bold blue, but... My bad, when I write long posts I get lost myself too... :lol:

On the topic of Melody- she uses her "knowledge" out of place like this as shown above and confuse only people like you. And then they call her genius...... I have never seen an actual smart person arrogant enough to call him/herself smart/genius in his/her own STEAM PROFILE man! Even if other people tell him/her that! So please don't take this stuff for granted, use logic first!
Don't get me wrong! She can be really skilled in alot of areas you know, but this what you wrote was some bullshit (will need some context on it probably).

Yes, and I agree that, we discussed this in october 2018 when Ostap posted one of her tutorials here (https://42amsterdam.net/samforum/showthread.php?t=226). That's why I wanted to UP there, but at the end I preferred to write here since Vampir posted these screens etc...

When you recalled GPedit, I dug into that thread and read everything again... I thought you remembered about it...

In the other hand, even Fix42Mod AdvancedSettings tab suggests you to use a minimum of 5000 bytes in MinBPS for stability.

No, such money does not exist

No, sorry, I don't get this one: money could not refer to that quote...

In every single script made by Croteam you will not see value under 3000 (unless it is Old Modem but fuck that setting, it is broken and sometimes will cause your ping to increase infinitely) and this is for a REASON ...

Yes, and I got this very late...

now some people say that they are OK but I tested on 2 networks and 3 computers - putting it to 0 causes red spikes in graph so suit yourself....

You know, during my researches back in late2017-early2018, I've read this, guess where, on very old threads from GameZone24 (I don't want to accuse anyone, but I seem to remember Skyward and Finnish Guy were one of those). I have to find them again and link everything here... not only from 2004, 2007, but even later... and... looks like old players on Sam were a little n00bz :D with NetSettings, even if they were good in online gaming... Even Dr. Dre, which was a programmer as well, didn't figure out how does old Sam netcode work...

Wtf nice man, if you have predictions off this did nothing. If you had them on this turned them essentially off) You have to set this value to your maximum ping that you would get, I get max 200 ms, so i set this value to 4 (4x50ms=200)... I don't have 100 % proof that higher values impact anything, but I think it is harder to play if value is too high (enemies are too fast or something....) idk test for yourself, but generally it will possibly save some CPU when predicting (it will predict for 200 ms as opposed to the default 500) but I don't have 100 % proof on this either.
0 = predicting for 0 ms (not predicting)

Do you mean PredictionSteps? I don't know. I found this when opening Fix42Mod AdvancedSettings in Notepad++:

//
Gadget: TTRS ^iMax Prediction Steps
Tip: TTRS Maximum prediction of personal movement, higher value - better reflex at high pings
Type: Toggle
[...]
String: TTRS (high) (16) (800 ms)
Value: 16
String: TTRS (very high) (20) (1000 ms)
Value: 20
String: TTRS (huge) (26) (1300 ms)
Value: 25
String: TTRS (...) (30) (1500 ms)
Value: 30
String: TTRS (you insane) (36) (1800 ms)
Value: 35
String: TTRS (eee stop already) (40) (2000 ms)
Value: 40
String: TTRS (fu idi nah.....) (50) (2500 ms ^b0_e^B)
Value: 50

I only know that I had everything ON until early 2018 (cli_bPrediction=1 and cli_iMaxPredictionSteps=20... consider I relied on cli_bAutoAdjustSettings) and I found out this weird fact on a Zeo' server in late 2017.
Unfortunately I don't have evidences (I didn't record a demo), but I remember that experiment (PredictionSteps=3, I had to walk 3 more steps to reach health). Hence why I set PredictionSteps to 0.

Also, X-Fighter wrote about using "Sharp Turning" in 1st person and disabling Sam's Mouse Acceleration if you set cli_bPrediction=0. I was aware that aim in 3rd person moves weirdo, but I felt I was playing "better" than before... :wtf:

No) Please make a bind to switch between the 2 settings (Buffer 1 and 2)

But I already did that! :P This time thanks to Skyward (https://42amsterdam.net/samforum/downloads.php?do=file&id=123). My script inside Common.ctl, based on him's:

Button
Name: Bufferactions 1
Key1: j
Key2: None
Pressed: cli_iBufferActions = 1;
Released: ;

Button
Name: Bufferactions 2
Key1: l
Key2: None
Pressed: cli_iBufferActions = 2;
Released: ;

However it didn't help at all.

and if you have predictions off you can't aim because there is too massive delay.... turn them back on , it is not the end of the world! And Buffer 1 will make you feel all your lags coming from lack of good CPU too so I do not recommend it for that! Simple! When you get lags on 1, put it on 2.... wait for a bit (3-5 minutes) or wait until your ping increases by 50, and switch back! Unless your lags are full-time then don't even bother moving it from 2, trust me it is not so hard to play with 150 if you get used to it.

A question: does "Wait 3-5 minutes" depend on AutoAdjustThresold?

I can make a try, but I repeat: when I used default DSL_Cable setting (for years!), I always had 180-220 ms with BufferActions=2 and it was impossible for me not only to aim properly, but even a single basic movement...

About CPU: I always thought CPU was irrelevant because, as far as I know, Serious Sam goes slow with EVERY CPU (even newer ones), no matter how many cores, threads, clock speed, turbo boost, etc, and you need WindowsXP Compatibility Mode, or even any Win9x compatibility setting that uses only one CPU thread.

I have no idea what you are trying to do but anyway, I have the same upload as you but I didn't look at this when setting Max/Min BPS values [...] I use maximum value for Max and a bit lower for Min BPS, didn't notice any practical difference if you stuck this one too at max but I just leave a small gap for no reason.

And this is exactly the point I can't still get: what are the correct values for MinBPS??? When I use 10000, ping still raises sometimes... :wtf: Do I have to set them higher? In percentage (approx two values range), how much, compared to maximum speed? :confused:

Of course it's me!
The most annoying player who doesn't know what he's doing, but somehow it works out.

What? Who said that?

I observed you about 1 year ago and you were good, especially on Sniper RedStation server.

About the Internet - the price is for a month.
If you pay for the year, two accounts are deducted.
I decided to open a calculator. 12(BGN) = 6.77(USD); 13(BGN)=7.33(USD); 15(BGN)=8.46(USD)

I see now. Thank you. :)

Supersniper98

27-01-2020, 20:05

What is an "empty" script? A totally blank Notepad page??? :blink:

Yes) Well it has 1 command in it but it is just for displaying what your current settings are when you connect, nothing else.

No, sorry, I don't get this one: money could not refer to that quote...

Sorry I meant MENU (money was on my head or something)... and

I found this when opening Fix42Mod AdvancedSettings in Notepad++:

I told you such thing doesn't exist in Fix42, you got this menu from download section in stats page and it is old and outdated (with mistakes).

However it didn't help at all.

What do you mean :|
Helping or not- you are obliged in 2020 to have binds for this stuff, including prediction and prediction steps.

A question: does "Wait 3-5 minutes" depend on AutoAdjustThresold?

No, this is for a questionable feature in SS that I never properly tested called cli_bAutoAdjustSettings but DO NOT expect magic from it.

I can make a try, but I repeat: when I used default DSL_Cable setting (for years!), I always had 180-220 ms with BufferActions=2 and it was impossible for me not only to aim properly, but even a single basic movement...

Strange bro

About CPU: I always thought CPU was irrelevant because, as far as I know, Serious Sam goes slow with EVERY CPU (even newer ones), no matter how many cores, threads, clock speed, turbo boost, etc, and you need WindowsXP Compatibility Mode, or even any Win9x compatibility setting that uses only one CPU thread.

HUH?! Say that again! If your CPU has god's Single-core/thread performance SS will run like a charm without any need of compatibility mode and/or framerate problems! Speaking from personal experience on Ryzen 5 3600 ;)
As far as I know your CPU is weak so how do you know before testing this stuff :|
In SS ONLY the CPU matters (for newer PCs) because the GPU is sleeping due to insane bottleneck from the 1-thread usage (it varies but generally it always bottlenecks).

And this is exactly the point I can't still get: what are the correct values for MinBPS??? When I use 10000, ping still raises sometimes... Do I have to set them higher? In percentage (approx two values range), how much, compared to maximum speed?

Yes man set it to maximum and job done !!!!!

Marco

28-01-2020, 22:45

Yes) Well it has 1 command in it but it is just for displaying what your current settings are when you connect, nothing else.

Hmmm :hmmm: , this means... that when the "choose connection" menu appears, a script with classic template is not needed? :huh:

Sorry I meant MENU (money was on my head or something)... and

I told you such thing doesn't exist in Fix42, you got this menu from download section in stats page and it is old and outdated (with mistakes).

Oh, ahaha :xd:, sorry. The menu in Fix42 should be Fix42 Options then.

What do you mean :|

Heh, basically my script always started with BufferActions=2, then I pressed J and they switched to 1. It happened that after a while, when playing for 20+ minutes and alternating BufferActions between 1-2 and viceversa, at some point ping raised to 170-180 even with BufferActions=1 and did not vary anymore. At least in Persepolis Co-op maps (I played a lot Ziggurat and Elephant Atrium between 2018 and 2019), it worked like this...

No, this is for a questionable feature in SS that I never properly tested called cli_bAutoAdjustSettings

And me believing AutoAdjustSettings only had values 0 and 1 and was implemented to analyze system specs and set automatically everything (I guess both for Single and Multiplayer) based on how much CPU, RAM, etc, game detected on your PC... I set it at 0 (not now, but over 1 year ago).
But AutoAdjustThreshold I'm sure is a limit of time to wait before changes take effect (I use 0.05), isn't it?

but DO NOT expect magic from it.

What's magic with it? This game has been compiled with mathematical functions and programming languages... I mean: the only thing I want, is just the best conditions available the engine can offer. We all know this is not Serious Sam HD nor Quake Live, where aim with mouselooking works much better and you can do circle-jumping (and more).
This is a 20 years old game (I know Zdzichu has "rebuilt" 1999's FE Alpha) and has limitations. Actually, I shouldn't even talk about "aiming" in Sam's DM... I can't describe the mechanism... When you have Sniper Rifle or Double Shotgun, basically, you have to let the target moves to your crosshair and pre-fire just one instant before. In demos, looks like players move often only in X axis. And a vertical mouse movement screws up everything (more noticeable with Sniper).

HUH?! Say that again! If your CPU has god's Single-core/thread performance SS will run like a charm without any need of compatibility mode and/or framerate problems! Speaking from personal experience on Ryzen 5 3600
As far as I know your CPU is weak so how do you know before testing this stuff :|
In SS ONLY the CPU matters (for newer PCs) because the GPU is sleeping due to insane bottleneck from the 1-thread usage (it varies but generally it always bottlenecks).

Sorry, another thing I read from GZ. :P Observer Master and Skyward were discussing about it in 2011 or 2012. On some comments it was written that Serious Sam works better under Windows XP mode or even Windows ME. Gotta check this one too! :D

Wow, I didn't know Ryzen processors were made for desktops as well! And they are even fresh from 2019! Sorry, at first I thought about Ryzen 5 2500U (4 cores, 8 threads, for laptop and released in 2017).

About my CPU. Yes, I can play for 20-30 mins max. After that, frame rate starts to drop (and this increases ping a lot... but netgraph shows only a bigger green wave, without spikes), until reaching <10 and sometimes <5 fps between 45 minutes and 1 hour of play, and an F9 is needed to play again. Regardless it is Co-op or Versus.

Helping or not- you are obliged in 2020 to have binds for this stuff, including prediction and prediction steps.

Yes man set it to maximum and job done !!!!!

Then, let's recap. A good NetSetting script must have:

- cli_bPrediction=1;

- cli_iBufferActions=2;

- cli_iMaxPredictionSteps... a value between 1-4, depending or your ping (+50ms added from BufferActions=2);

- cli_iMaxBPS=1000000 (one million Bytes would be 8Mbps... decimal Megabits! This is an example, but it could be even higher);

- cli_iMinBPS... slightly lower than MaxBPS, but still high.

However, the better the connection is, the less the lag will bother you. And... A good CPU. Thanks for helping! :kneel: :china:

I want to complain that there were times when many people were without electricity.

Lol, I don't want to be annoying with this, but I forgot to say those spaniards also wrote that the disadvantage of the fiber was that telephone didn't work if a blackout occurred (normally, in case of ADSL line, telephone uses copper cable and a different line, so you can still use it even without electricity). I missed this one before.

Supersniper98

29-01-2020, 01:20

Hmmm :hmmm: , this means... that when the "choose connection" menu appears, a script with classic template is not needed? :huh:

No you don't need anything, I can even put any command script to execute there but i just added this so I spam enter every time and not worry if I hit wrong script

But AutoAdjustThreshold I'm sure is a limit of time to wait before changes take effect (I use 0.05), isn't it?

I guess, it says so in ShellSymbols

What's magic with it? This game has been compiled with mathematical functions and programming languages... I mean: the only thing I want, is just the best conditions available the engine can offer. We all know this is not Serious Sam HD nor Quake Live, where aim with mouselooking works much better and you can do circle-jumping (and more).
This is a 20 years old game (I know Zdzichu has "rebuilt" 1999's FE Alpha) and has limitations. Actually, I shouldn't even talk about "aiming" in Sam's DM... I can't describe the mechanism... When you have Sniper Rifle or Double Shotgun, basically, you have to let the target moves to your crosshair and pre-fire just one instant before. In demos, looks like players move often only in X axis. And a vertical mouse movement screws up everything (more noticeable with Sniper).

I have no idea what you are talking about..... from experience I found that SSC mouse aiming is very good especially in 1st person with Sharp Turning.... man pls turn off inp_bMousePrecision you will thank me.... it is the biggest bullshit I have ever tested in this game (I believe you have it on, you mentioned that somewhere)... I have no idea what other people like Melody and you have a problem with, I mean Melody uploaded some video where she literally shoots earlier than she turns and said it is lag and that the shot lands not where you aim lol.
I played Serious Sam HD and I don't like the strafe (circle like you call) jumping, it is overpowered and you can escape out of any fight by just pulling out the knife and strafing left-right and holding forward... about mouse there: it is not better OR worse, however since I am used to SSC with its Raw Input off, HD has only Raw Input on without option to disable it like other SS games, so this was a shame... I had to get used to aiming like that but I did and it is nothing better or worse.
There is no problem with SSC at all with the aiming, you turned off predictions so now you have to deal with it: don't be surprised that you can't follow the target and shoot where it is on your screen, because this image is 150 ms behind actual image, and obviously you have to prefire in front of that image! It works similarly in HD and later games but it is easy to get used to (though I am not confident in myself that i can play good enough with other predictions off in Classic lol)! Nothing is screwed up with vertical mouse movement! Don't you watch how better players play? You think they can't move their mouse vertically with ease and that it messes up everything?

Wow, I didn't know Ryzen processors were made for desktops as well! And they are even fresh from 2019! Sorry, at first I thought about Ryzen 5 2500U (4 cores, 8 threads, for laptop and released in 2017).

LOL what are you smoking?) Ryzen processors are primarily made for PC, and most other things too! And the 2500U came out in 2018 not 2017

About my CPU. Yes, I can play for 20-30 mins max. After that, frame rate starts to drop (and this increases ping a lot... but netgraph shows only a bigger green wave, without spikes), until reaching <10 and sometimes <5 fps between 45 minutes and 1 hour of play, and an F9 is needed to play again. Regardless it is Co-op or Versus.

Ouch... why do you still have an Atom... average-decent APU laptops today really don't cost alot...

Then, let's recap. A good NetSetting script must have:

- cli_bPrediction=1;

- cli_iBufferActions=2;

- cli_iMaxPredictionSteps... a value between 1-4, depending or your ping (+50ms added from BufferActions=2);

- cli_iMaxBPS=1000000 (one million Bytes would be 8Mbps... decimal Megabits! This is an example, but it could be even higher);

- cli_iMinBPS... slightly lower than MaxBPS, but still high.

However, the better the connection is, the less the lag will bother you. And... A good CPU. Thanks for helping! :kneel: :china:

cli_iMinBPS I advice to put 350000 since your download is within those 8 mbit, just in case you know trust me!
And that is not the only thing..... from earlier post I saw that you completely ruined the prediction in this game, so you have to revert all these values to their original settings if you want WORKING prediction (not a phantom switch which is cli_bPrediction that does nothing)
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In this screenshot, the reason why you have to "prefire" the enemies are the cli_tmPredict commands.

And cli_iMaxPredictionSteps between 4-5 not 1-4... you will never get decently under 50 ms even on local with this CPU and framerates trust me (on DM maybe), and never consistent under 100 on 42 with this internet stability!) I use 4 all the time unless I am in Bulgarian server which is really close so I can use 2.

Marco

29-01-2020, 23:05

I have no idea what you are talking about..... from experience I found that SSC mouse aiming is very good especially in 1st person with Sharp Turning.... man pls turn off inp_bMousePrecision you will thank me.... it is the biggest bullshit I have ever tested in this game (I believe you have it on, you mentioned that somewhere)...

I :lol: told you, I have no words how to describe it... it is like when you have a trailer and you have to hook it into the tractor and you do the proper maneuvers...

Yeah, X-Fighter already wrote that Sharp Turning is needed for 1st person. A long time ago I played FE against Kacper and I had always to aim in 1st person with the Tommygun.
But when I see a noob walking forward, I can kill him in 3rd person view very easily.

MousePrecision is synonym of... Mouse Acceleration? Or Relative?

I have no idea what other people like Melody and you have a problem with, I mean Melody uploaded some video where she literally shoots earlier than she turns and said it is lag and that the shot lands not where you aim lol.

What? No, when I say "demos", I mean exactly "demos", from 42Amsterdam, I'm not talking about the genial Melody anymore.... unless she is "R3D" from Italy I've seen playing 3-4 days ago (but I didn't ask because I thought it was still Ninja from Moldova)..

There is no problem with SSC at all with the aiming, you turned off predictions so now you have to deal with it: don't be surprised that you can't follow the target and shoot where it is on your screen, because this image is 150 ms behind actual image, and obviously you have to prefire in front of that image! It works similarly in HD and later games but it is easy to get used to (though I am not confident in myself that i can play good enough with other predictions off in Classic lol)! Nothing is screwed up with vertical mouse movement! Don't you watch how better players play?

The easiest example: Red Station. People with Sniper Rifle miss a lot of hits when a target is mid-air after jumping from a pad, because they can't clearly follow opponent's move (in fact, most of the times, the first player aims in the opposite direction compared to where his target actually is). The way the aim is moved... they are seemingly drawing an invisible question mark in the sky...
And when an opponent strafes left-right, without jumping, they still miss 95% of hits too. You can easily hit only a target after a simple jump or if he is moving damn slooooooooowly.
With Double Shotgun: most of the skilled players kill their opponents after moving the mouse horizontally (3rd person view). Just like the tractor with its trailer I mentioned above. Sorry, can't find british-american slang for it. :)

You think they can't move their mouse vertically with ease and that it messes up everything?

I have seen sometimes PlayerA killing PlayerB with SR or DS after a vertical move, but the movement was very, very fast, improvise, in a straight line and the percentage of such hits is very low compared to kills from horizontal moves. That's a lucky shot or I have to assume somebody is using aimbot here...

I played Serious Sam HD and I don't like the strafe (circle like you call) jumping, it is overpowered and you can escape out of any fight by just pulling out the knife and strafing left-right and holding forward... about mouse there: it is not better OR worse, however since I am used to SSC with its Raw Input off, HD has only Raw Input on without option to disable it like other SS games, so this was a shame... I had to get used to aiming like that but I did and it is nothing better or worse.

Ok, I understand you are used to old Serious Sam and you didn't like its remake, but rusty-woody aim will never be better or superior than modern freelook implemented in SSHD/QL/CPMA. They have had their reasons to improve RAW Input. We are talking about two different eras...

this image is 150 ms behind actual image, and obviously you have to prefire in front of that image! It works similarly in HD

And, yes: I have delay ingame in the newer FPSs too. But they don't have customizable options (such as predictions or netsettings) like Serious Sam, so it couldn't be the same.

In Serious Sam HD, it works this way:

- Me, ping to italian servers from Milan: 65-72;

- Other italian, ping to the same server: 34-42 (somebody else could have 48-51); --> If they are players with 200 hours or less, I can beat them; somebody comes out with the excuse of me lagging, so that I'm "impossible" to aim for them (because they see my sprite flickering);

- Stranger player in the same server: could be MrSnabz from Germany (ping 82-91) or Point Man from Russia (ping 109); --> When players with same ping as me or higher join the lobby, I start to have lags (this time for real!!!) and it comes unplayable: 1,5 seconds to switch from Single Shotgun to knife, laser projectiles impossible to see (both when you are shooting or your opponent is), 1,5 more seconds of delay when you have to shoot, you hurt your opponent but you always need last hit... and Point Man has already spawnkilled you most of the times... In the old Sam I had the "missing-last-hit" situation only with players with 50 ms or lower ping (Jack, Capricornus, etc) especially in Shotty Trouble server.

LOL what are you smoking?) Ryzen processors are primarily made for PC, and most other things too! And the 2500U came out in 2018 not 2017

Then it's CPU-world (http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen%205%20Mobile%202500U.html) mistake. :yes:

Ouch... why do you still have an Atom... average-decent APU laptops today really don't cost alot...

Now Windows 7 support has expired and another problem with new hardwares is they only have drivers for the damn Windows 10... and I don't want the Microsoft Intelligence Agency spying on what am I installing or not on my system (certainly I'm NOT planning terroristic attacks nor trading drugs)... And if I get Enterprise (the only version without Microsoft spywares), I should pay twice for the same OS (and no: I don't use cracked OSs since a friend told me his experience when they busted him with pirate Windows XP)... And it's not over yet: seems that spying activities from Microsoft do slowdown your system, including CPU usage, with the excuse they are sending information and feedback to Microsoft to "improve" your experience with Windows... Plus, people say 10 is a total downgrade compared to 7 for multiple reasons.

Personal opinion: if it is true that Windows 10 support expires in 2025, then it is not that convenient to buy now. In 2022-2023-2024 Microsoft could release a new OS, and I should change twice in 5 years? I still use Windows 7 since 2011 and I'm happy with it. Yeah, maybe I don't have to browse the internet that much, but 5 years is not 50 years. Let's only hope new Windows (how will they name it? Windows Twenty? Windows 40th Anniversary?) will be closer to 7 rather than 10.

from earlier post I saw that you completely ruined the prediction in this game, so you have to revert all these values to their original settings if you want WORKING prediction [...]

In this screenshot, the reason why you have to "prefire" the enemies are the cli_tmPredict commands.

When I put 0, the default presets were 15 in those values you mention (Enemy, Ally and Foe).
Measurement unit is: meters or seconds?

Supersniper98

30-01-2020, 01:08

I :lol: told you, I have no words how to describe it... it is like when you have a trailer and you have to hook it into the tractor and you do the proper maneuvers...

I still have no idea what you are talking about :|

Yeah, X-Fighter already wrote that Sharp Turning is needed for 1st person. A long time ago I played FE against Kacper and I had always to aim in 1st person with the Tommygun.
But when I see a noob walking forward, I can kill him in 3rd person view very easily.

This is mainly due to your bigger ping... normally you don't ever have to switch to first person, especially since it has red screen- HAH Kacper I bet he would play against you all day but when he sees me he runs out of the server in less than 2 seconds because the score on the stats (https://42amsterdam.net/stats_page1.php) page will be ruined...

MousePrecision is synonym of... Mouse Acceleration? Or Relative?

nop that is its own thing, it is some "smartass" algorithm that thinks it knows when it has to slow your aim down etc and it fails miserably at that (check inp_bMousePrecision and make sure it is OFF)

What? No, when I say "demos", I mean exactly "demos", from 42Amsterdam, I'm not talking about the genial Melody anymore.... unless she is "R3D" from Italy I've seen playing 3-4 days ago (but I didn't ask because I thought it was still Ninja from Moldova)..

NAH I don't think this is Ninja...

The easiest example: Red Station. People with Sniper Rifle miss a lot of hits when a target is mid-air after jumping from a pad, because they can't clearly follow opponent's move (in fact, most of the times, the first player aims in the opposite direction compared to where his target actually is). The way the aim is moved... they are seemingly drawing an invisible question mark in the sky...
And when an opponent strafes left-right, without jumping, they still miss 95% of hits too. You can easily hit only a target after a simple jump or if he is moving damn slooooooooowly.
With Double Shotgun: most of the skilled players kill their opponents after moving the mouse horizontally (3rd person view). Just like the tractor with its trailer I mentioned above. Sorry, can't find british-american slang for it. :)

I have really 0 clue about any of what you are saying here... show me 1 game where you can easily track and kill enemy that is moving too fast, especially if it is online environment with around 100 ms... "PEOPLE" who can aim, can aim... and trust me they don't miss- are you even spectating Bad Boy or any other person like Zdzichu? What part of their sniper kills is "missing"?
These skilled players move the mouse horizontally because the opponent is moving horizontally, what is the problem? However you will see if they are really skilled when the opponent moves vertically, jumping will not save you at all if they can react in time.

I have seen sometimes PlayerA killing PlayerB with SR or DS after a vertical move, but the movement was very, very fast, improvise, in a straight line and the percentage of such hits is very low compared to kills from horizontal moves. That's a lucky shot or I have to assume somebody is using aimbot here...

Nope) Man listen the majority of players you watch today can't aim even horizontally, the horizontal move you think you saw is them strafing their crosshair into the enemy with barely any mouse movement! This is not luck, it is reaction! Naturally it will be harder to react vertically, show me 1 game where this isn't the case and where people manage to flick up and down as easy as right and left or something!

Ok, I understand you are used to old Serious Sam and you didn't like its remake, but rusty-woody aim will never be better or superior than modern freelook implemented in SSHD/QL/CPMA. They have had their reasons to improve RAW Input. We are talking about two different eras...

Eh...... man I said this many times, you keep calling SSC aim rusty and woody when it is not at all, and bring as example some questionably "skilled players" ... I tell you it is NOT hard to aim here, turn off smoothing, turn off inp_bMousePrecision and it is the best! Raw Input adds literally nothing for me, I am not from these people who use a ridiculous polling rate on their mice or some other stuff, and besides you said yourself that your mouse was this Logitech office mouse that has a serious problem with the sensor (I had such a mouse before, it wouldn't let me move cursor faster than a certain speed, in SS it was also just bad... replaced it immediately after 1 week)... If you improve your conditions you won't believe how smooth this game is! Especially on 144 Hz)

And, yes: I have delay ingame in the newer FPSs too. But they don't have customizable options (such as predictions or netsettings) like Serious Sam, so it couldn't be the same.

In Serious Sam HD, it works this way:

- Me, ping to italian servers from Milan: 65-72;

- Other italian, ping to the same server: 34-42 (somebody else could have 48-51); --> If they are players with 200 hours or less, I can beat them; somebody comes out with the excuse of me lagging, so that I'm "impossible" to aim for them (because they see my sprite flickering);

- Stranger player in the same server: could be MrSnabz from Germany (ping 82-91) or Point Man from Russia (ping 109); --> When players with same ping as me or higher join the lobby, I start to have lags (this time for real!!!) and it comes unplayable: 1,5 seconds to switch from Single Shotgun to knife, laser projectiles impossible to see (both when you are shooting or your opponent is), 1,5 more seconds of delay when you have to shoot, you hurt your opponent but you always need last hit... and Point Man has already spawnkilled you most of the times... In the old Sam I had the "missing-last-hit" situation only with players with 50 ms or lower ping (Jack, Capricornus, etc) especially in Shotty Trouble server.

You see? Yeah it is not the same! It's worse! Here you have no choice but to predict where the enemy will go in the amount of time that your ping is with your brain (it is not a bad thing but they could leave the option to enable prediction), and it is something Point Man is extremely good at which is why he will win with any ping)

Then it's CPU-world (http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen%205%20Mobile%202500U.html) mistake. :yes:

Ew... since these processors had a "2" in front I thought they were Zen+ but they were Zen, so it makes sense they were released in 2017...

Now Windows 7 support has expired and another problem with new hardwares is they only have drivers for the damn Windows 10... and I don't want the Microsoft Intelligence Agency spying on what am I installing or not on my system (certainly I'm NOT planning terroristic attacks nor trading drugs)... And if I get Enterprise (the only version without Microsoft spywares), I should pay twice for the same OS (and no: I don't use cracked OSs since a friend told me his experience when they busted him with pirate Windows XP)... And it's not over yet: seems that spying activities from Microsoft do slowdown your system, including CPU usage, with the excuse they are sending information and feedback to Microsoft to "improve" your experience with Windows... Plus, people say 10 is a total downgrade compared to 7 for multiple reasons.

Personal opinion: if it is true that Windows 10 support expires in 2025, then it is not that convenient to buy now. In 2022-2023-2024 Microsoft could release a new OS, and I should change twice in 5 years? I still use Windows 7 since 2011 and I'm happy with it. Yeah, maybe I don't have to browse the internet that much, but 5 years is not 50 years. Let's only hope new Windows (how will they name it? Windows Twenty? Windows 40th Anniversary?) will be closer to 7 rather than 10.

Nah) Microsoft is spying you everywhere even if it isn't Ultimate/Professional/Enterprise, it is the rest of their services - but you are 1 from 8 billion beings on this planet nobody cares about you lolo
During Windows 10 installation you can turn off access to all these things or, (for bullshit sending data) you can set it to only the most required/minimum. I monitor the CPU all the time, it never goes above 4 % when I am idle, and most of this usage is actual applications like this monitoring tool...
Amazing)) Your friend didn't get caught, this is what happens when you just don't activate Windows) They will say to you USE GENUINE VERSION OF WINDOWS and make your background black... if you use a keygen for Windows 10 (from the quite a few available out there) you can get it activated easy and then it is completely legal, and NO I AM NOT paying for this bullshit like you said. Yes 10 might be a downgrade, but are you really thinking that an ALL-NEW OS that will come out later will be better???? I totally doubt it, especially now (before it was possible). And you plan to stay on the same specs? That laptop of yours now has to run XP, with 10 it would just struggle to run the system, and with that new OS specs will probably not be even supported)

When I put 0, the default presets were 15 in those values you mention (Enemy, Ally and Foe).
Measurement unit is: meters or seconds?

It is in seconds. When you aim at this type of entity it will remain in predicted state for this amount of seconds... entering and exiting predicted state causes enemies to lag forward (predicted image you need to aim at and shoot to kill the enemy) and backward (not predicted image) (how much depends on ping), so I just put Foe to a high value like 100, so when they enter they don't exit immediately from predicted state... this setting was done to save CPU and I can see why it is probably better to leave it to low value for coop monsters (Enemy), but for a few players I don't mind...

Marco

31-01-2020, 00:20

I still have no idea what you are talking about :|

Then I have to travel to Scotland again (after 10 years!!!) and learn some english slang... If you were used to understand italian, I'd have told you in italian... :xd: In english-english I can't explain yet... :(

This is mainly due to your bigger ping... normally you don't ever have to switch to first person, especially since it has red screen- HAH

You know, on GZ there's some very old thread about a workaround for this. It was called "No Red Screen Patch". When a player complained about the bad syncs, the other ones said: "It is a cheat, you noob!". :lmao:
Yes, I know intense red screen is in DOOM/DOOM2 style (Serious Sam is actually based off on DOOM), but you can still see something even with that... Of course if you still have 10/10.

Kacper I bet he would play against you all day but when he sees me he runs out of the server in less than 2 seconds because the score on the stats page will be ruined...

Kacper plays since 2018... Are you serious that after 2 years he is still medium-low level of skill and scared of veterans? :blink:
In Serious Sam HD, if you have 2 years experience, you are a monster (ok, not an Absolute God yet, but you are pretty good to destroy almost everybody).

Kacper, how the hell are you playing??? :o :doh:

nop that is its own thing, it is some "smartass" algorithm that thinks it knows when it has to slow your aim down etc and it fails miserably at that (check inp_bMousePrecision and make sure it is OFF)

Ok. And the grayed function "Enable IFeel" I can't change, what is for?

inp_bMousePrecision is currently set at 0, but PersistentSymbols changes from time to time, so I don't remember when I changed this. During these last days I was observing only and I did not touch console. However, situation as follows:

persistent extern user INDEX inp_iKeyboardReadingMethod=(INDEX)2;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bAllowMouseAcceleration=(INDEX)1;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_fMouseSensitivity=(FLOAT)1;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bMousePrecision=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_fMousePrecisionFactor=(FLOAT)4;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_fMousePrecisionThreshold=(FLOAT)10;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_fMousePrecisionTimeout=(FLOAT)0.25;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bInvertMouse=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bFilterMouse=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bAllowPrescan=(INDEX)1;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_i2ndMousePort=(INDEX)1;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bInvert2ndMouse=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bFilter2ndMouse=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_f2ndMouseSensitivity=(FLOAT)1;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_b2ndMousePrecision=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_f2ndMousePrecisionFactor=(FLOAT)4;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_f2ndMousePrecisionThreshold=(FLOAT)10;
persistent extern user FLOAT inp_f2ndMousePrecisionTimeout=(FLOAT)0.25;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bMsgDebugger=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_iMButton4Up=(INDEX)131072;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_iMButton4Dn=(INDEX)131136;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_iMButton5Up=(INDEX)65536;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_iMButton5Dn=(INDEX)65568;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_ctJoysticksAllowed=(INDEX)8;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bForceJoystickPolling=(INDEX)0;
persistent extern user INDEX inp_bAutoDisableJoysticks=(INDEX)0;

I was pretty sure I deactivated Mouse Acceleration, but it is still 1...

I have really 0 clue about any of what you are saying here... show me 1 game where you can easily track and kill enemy that is moving too fast, especially if it is online environment with around 100 ms... "PEOPLE" who can aim, can aim... and trust me they don't miss- are you even spectating Bad Boy or any other person like Zdzichu? What part of their sniper kills is "missing"?
These skilled players move the mouse horizontally because the opponent is moving horizontally, what is the problem? However you will see if they are really skilled when the opponent moves vertically, jumping will not save you at all if they can react in time.

Nope) Man listen the majority of players you watch today can't aim even horizontally, the horizontal move you think you saw is them strafing their crosshair into the enemy with barely any mouse movement! This is not luck, it is reaction! Naturally it will be harder to react vertically, show me 1 game where this isn't the case and where people manage to flick up and down as easy as right and left or something!

Look at Ibo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_lT2vLBLI

At 0:14 the vertical, sharp, straight mouse movement I see rarely (what I call a lucky shot);

At 0:25, 0:43, 0:46, 0:53, 1:28, 1:30, 1:32, 1:44, 2:03, 2:17, 2:19 some examples of the most frequent hit when moving mouse horizontally. This is the chain reaction I'm desperately trying to explain for the last three days;

At 0:56 an example of hit when the target is jumping;

For mid-air fakehits and strafe left-right fakehits in Red Station, just watch a random demo from Petar server. The games there, are all identical one to each other.

"What's the problem?", you are asking. None. You'll say they all are normal hits. And they are. What I mean is that in a modern FPS the most skilled players from Sam would never fail a lot of shots with Sniper or Railgun, as it happens mostly on Red Station (which is more evident). About horizontal hits with Double Shotgun, what you call simply "aim", I'd rather call it a technique or a mechanism.

Eh...... man I said this many times, you keep calling SSC aim rusty and woody when it is not at all,

Then I have no more words. It is just an optical illusion because here the 3rd person sprite is glued to the camera and follows its movement while in Serious Sam HD is not.

and bring as example some questionably "skilled players" ...

Capricornus and Jack of Diamonds are questionable and unskilled? :blink:

besides you said yourself that your mouse was this Logitech office mouse that has a serious problem with the sensor (I had such a mouse before, it wouldn't let me move cursor faster than a certain speed, in SS it was also just bad... replaced it immediately after 1 week)

Logitech M100 you mean? It works for me. I changed only once for lockdown problem, but I think it was due to the fact I was already using it for a couple of years. But I replaced it with another M100 and it worked perfect like before. I think it is 7 years now since I bought it for the first time. If you changed it after a week, you might have had a broken one. In 2011, when I bought my first laptop (Samsung RV-520) I had the same problem with HDD...

You see? Yeah it is not the same! It's worse! Here you have no choice but to predict where the enemy will go in the amount of time that your ping is with your brain (it is not a bad thing but they could leave the option to enable prediction), and it is something Point Man is extremely good at which is why he will win with any ping)

How can you think Serious Sam HD needs prediction parameters? And how can you think delayed actions are related uniquely to prediction parameters? Are you sure there isn't anything else? I have no knowledge of source code from both versions, but they might have used some more efficient script for netcoding in HD (and in Serious Sam 3 too). The predictions in the older version maybe were introduced back then because the 2009-10 technology obviously didn't exist. Or they would never have been removed them from the game...

The last time I saw Point Man's profile 'public' (maybe 2 years ago), it had 2992 hours. But I have seen Zeb89 beating him so many times back in early 2013. And Zeb didn't have fiber yet, only 20Mbps ADSL at that time.
Even MrRocket from Sicily has beaten him with 924 or 940 hours (when Point had about 2800), check for the video "MrRocket vs Point Man" (it's in 2 parts).

Point Man is only spawnkiller and nothing else, especially in small maps (such as Medieval Rage). And when you have good connection, he becomes normal.

Ah, and I also think he is one of those nerds who need to play 675234625645674347 hours to become a war machine... but if he stops playing for only 1 minute, he looses all of his form, IMHO.

Nah) Microsoft is spying you everywhere even if it isn't Ultimate/Professional/Enterprise, it is the rest of their services - but you are 1 from 8 billion beings on this planet nobody cares about you lolo

People, common people, maybe not. Governments and hackers, yes.

During Windows 10 installation you can turn off access to all these things or, (for bullshit sending data) you can set it to only the most required/minimum. I monitor the CPU all the time, it never goes above 4 % when I am idle, and most of this usage is actual applications like this monitoring tool...

I read about ShutUp10 and similar, are those programs worth it? Will they screw your system?

Amazing)) Your friend didn't get caught, this is what happens when you just don't activate Windows) They will say to you USE GENUINE VERSION OF WINDOWS and make your background black..

He said that when he got pirate version, he forgot to disable Windows Update. At the first connection to the internet, the system became unusable. But (fake) serial was "registered". We are talking about 11-12 years ago, though.

I AM NOT paying for this bullshit like you said

Aaah, then you might have updated it for free when it was allowed.

are you really thinking that an ALL-NEW OS that will come out later will be better????

I hope so. If they will release a worse OS than Windows 10 despite all negative feedbacks, then it means Bill Gates has earned enough money for a luxurious retirement on Mars...
Jokes aside, usually they have always alternated from a very good OS to the worst OS ever.

If the hypothetic new Windows will be the worst of the worst, then I have to waste years to learn how to use only one of hundred thousands systems based on Linux :pcbreak:... And this only for Google Chrome not supporting Windows 7 after the next 15 months have passed. :pitiful:

And you plan to stay on the same specs? That laptop of yours now has to run XP, with 10 it would just struggle to run the system, and with that new OS specs will probably not be even supported)

And who wrote I want to install Windows 10 in my netbook? :huh:
It is a model from 2012 I bought in june 2013, of course it has no drivers for Windows 10 since this OS has been released in alpha in 2014 for the first time!

For Windows XP I have no license. We had a shared desktop in 2006-2011 with Windows XP Professional installed, but a technician installed it, so no CD, no license, no product-key, nothing... And the support has expired in 2014...

Wait, I have an idea. Last summer, my Photosmart C3170 decided not to accept color toner anymore after about 15 years. So in august I bought another HP, but this time it was an ENVY 5020. Perhaps playing Serious Sam from a printer could be a good idea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG8RAbWs1yo :lmao:

It is in seconds. When you aim at this type of entity it will remain in predicted state for this amount of seconds... entering and exiting predicted state causes enemies to lag forward (predicted image you need to aim at and shoot to kill the enemy) and backward (not predicted image) (how much depends on ping), so I just put Foe to a high value like 100, so when they enter they don't exit immediately from predicted state... this setting was done to save CPU and I can see why it is probably better to leave it to low value for coop monsters (Enemy), but for a few players I don't mind...

Thanks. And what about "Predict Remote Players" and prediction of their range?

Supersniper98

31-01-2020, 17:39

Kacper plays since 2018... Are you serious that after 2 years he is still medium-low level of skill and scared of veterans? :blink:
In Serious Sam HD, if you have 2 years experience, you are a monster (ok, not an Absolute God yet, but you are pretty good to destroy almost everybody).

Kacper, how the hell are you playing??? :o :doh:

Kacper is doing that less but he still is..... it is mostly his brother, but they are both generally doing the same thing and they are toxic... you want proof? Watch this demo (FE):
https://mega.nz/#!TzBTDSSC!kdlhP7E3RkAwpxNeEKYEpzfAunQr_6tMRJZy7UH WZRc
Pay close attention how he F9s when he got killed and how in less than 2 seconds leaves when I join.
About the 2 years - NO) There are a bunch of people in SS DM that literally haven't moved for more than 3-4 or more years, and Kacper has also not moved since 2018. ME personally in HD with just over 15 hours, humiliated a person who had on his profile 1200 hours, and a bunch of other dudes with hidden profiles but I am sure they play at least 500 hours... (maybe you know them - [~TMA~] clan, I casually joined and it was my 10th game and I won 2 maps in a row) just playing is not going to make you win, you just get experience but when you can't play all the experience you can possibly get from this game is not going to save you.... I fell into their tactics once or twice but then it doesn't work) It is very simple)

Ok. And the grayed function "Enable IFeel" I can't change, what is for?

Nothing to worry about, some feature on old mice that would make them vibrate or something, kind of like controllers- already not supported.

Look at Ibo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_lT2vLBLI

At 0:14 the vertical, sharp, straight mouse movement I see rarely (what I call a lucky shot);

At 0:25, 0:43, 0:46, 0:53, 1:28, 1:30, 1:32, 1:44, 2:03, 2:17, 2:19 some examples of the most frequent hit when moving mouse horizontally. This is the chain reaction I'm desperately trying to explain for the last three days;

At 0:56 an example of hit when the target is jumping;

For mid-air fakehits and strafe left-right fakehits in Red Station, just watch a random demo from Petar server. The games there, are all identical one to each other.

"What's the problem?", you are asking. None. You'll say they all are normal hits. And they are. What I mean is that in a modern FPS the most skilled players from Sam would never fail a lot of shots with Sniper or Railgun, as it happens mostly on Red Station (which is more evident). About horizontal hits with Double Shotgun, what you call simply "aim", I'd rather call it a technique or a mechanism.

Well you complain because people like to aim horizontally or what? It is the nature of thirdperson, if you play for a long time like that you will do it too, but here I mostly see that he is a flick player, this exists in ANY game! They like to move their mouse away or somewhere in the center and focus on the enemy , somehow it is easier than track- this doesn't prove anything especially since it is a clip from 2007, that is his own style, and standards have risen a lot since then.... if you played like that running around you would be surely dead, even if he didn't play against pros but only average players... yes horizontal hits is what I already said to you, most people don't even bother to aim, and pros sometimes, to make it easier, combine both aiming and strafing, that is why the movement may seem mainly horizontal but they are NOT limited to it.... and again, NO they are NOT missing a lot of hits in Red Station, they miss SOME... it happens! (I am sure it would happen in other games too) The random demo on Petar's server is probably Mossberg dude - who I like to call "no-mouse" guy... now with his ping it is hard but no, he can try to aim, he just doesn't.... he aims in a general direction and strafes every opponent and that is why he misses many shots, but sometimes this goddamn technique works for a bit, totally pissing off everyone who is trying to aim at least a bit... Other than that (idk what do you mean by fake-hits) especially if you look at a demo, no there aren't misses, they can be misses on your screen, but never in the demo.... I watched alot of demos where I made some ridiculous shots and it was always on target when I slowed it down...

Then I have no more words. It is just an optical illusion because here the 3rd person sprite is glued to the camera and follows its movement while in Serious Sam HD is not.

The reason why most of HD players today call thirdperson gay and Point Man even calls it "wall-fucking" or "fucking with the walls" is because unlike in Classic you have FOV control so they play on some ridiculous 130 FOV that I can never get used to... and also thirdperson is 50 km behind the player or something, they totally overdid it... 130 FOV in HD is ALMOST equivalent to Classic SE thirdperson on 90 FOV in close range... what these players dont realize is that by adding such huge FOV they lose everything at long range, so I took exactly advantage of that when I beat those Italian guys, HD players are strange, most of the time they ignore first shots and they are totally blind at a distance...

Capricornus and Jack of Diamonds are questionable and unskilled? :blink:

Idk what you are talking about, none of them are constantly restricted to doing what you mentioned above, like I said they may do it because it is overall EASIER, but both Jack and Capricornus have a very clean aim, without very unnecessary movements, Jack may miss but if he played more seriously he would not do it so often trust me) and Capricornus, miss with sniper? nice jokes, he plays without prediction of players so he prefires (like you said earlier) where he predicted the enemy will be and he happens to be very good at it... I should really maybe try to play like that lol.

Logitech M100 you mean? It works for me. I changed only once for lockdown problem, but I think it was due to the fact I was already using it for a couple of years. But I replaced it with another M100 and it worked perfect like before. I think it is 7 years now since I bought it for the first time. If you changed it after a week, you might have had a broken one. In 2011, when I bought my first laptop (Samsung RV-520) I had the same problem with HDD...

YES! EXACTLY THIS MOUSE) I tell you it was OK for most things, and if you move it slow it is fine, but when you try to flick fast it FAILS: either it is aiming you in totally wrong direction or it keeps moving even though you stopped- the sensor is just not made for it, if you think I had a broken mouse, here is a thread I randomly found by just googling:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/528398719795545829/
(Guy decided to buy a new one lol)

You might not notice anything if your sensitivity is high, but I really don't advise you to do this, this mouse is 1000 DPI, I advise to play under 20 %... now that I remember seeing you in coop you were aiming in First Person and for some reason... it was bad- worse than some casuals who play, so I want you to explain me that because I never understood why... do you not have any space for the mouse or what?

The last time I saw Point Man's profile 'public' (maybe 2 years ago), it had 2992 hours. But I have seen Zeb89 beating him so many times back in early 2013. And Zeb didn't have fiber yet, only 20Mbps ADSL at that time.
Even MrRocket from Sicily has beaten him with 924 or 940 hours (when Point had about 2800), check for the video "MrRocket vs Point Man" (it's in 2 parts).

Point Man is only spawnkiller and nothing else, especially in small maps (such as Medieval Rage). And when you have good connection, he becomes normal.

This HD game is FUNNY, listen Point Man still likes to make fun of noobs, but he has matured since then ok? His profile now is less cringe...
About the video, ehm
1. No score was shown anywhere, and it was an edit but I don't care who won
2. No ping was shown anywhere (could be that this guy hosted, not that it was impossible to win like that too but anyway)
3. Point Man plays nothing like this today lol, I was watching the video and thinking, man was he really this stupid? Which proves that HOURS IN THIS GAME DON'T help you, but he took the time to really improve, and now he is not rushing his opponent without thinking like in that video and actually controls the map, call him spawn killer or whatever , it is not Classic FE- there is no ng rule he will kill you when he wants.

It is really funny how compared to Classic, HD players (especially in that video) look like they play without even thinking, and I am totally convinced of that, since I played for a small bit with those Italians that I mentioned earlier, and they were repeating the same movement patterns that they repeated at least 5000 times for the last 600 hours of their game... sometimes totally mechanically without thinking, I didn't know a single trick jump that they used, I just moved around the map logically and somehow won, so yeah.
also another note here: ping in HD matters more than in Classic, it is essentially a cleaner image (closer to reality), if you had a larger ping you would see the same image, but the difference is that you are NOT close to that reality, you have to not only think but now also AIM ahead of your opponent!)

Ah, and I also think he is one of those nerds who need to play 675234625645674347 hours to become a war machine... but if he stops playing for only 1 minute, he looses all of his form, IMHO.

WRONG) I know him, he joins rarely now (SE HD), he never lost any shape... and like I said HOURS MEAN NOTHING! He learned a large part of what he is capable of now from other Arena Shooter games, not SS- so the last 500-1000 hours are not like the previous 2000-2500 he had in that game! It depends how you spend this time in game, idling? repeating same mistakes? or learning from them?
I don't approve of his ego of course, he makes fun of bad playing people like he was never one of them? This video is proof! But anyway, other players don't help themselves too, why do they write bullshit to him in the chat and leave immediately? And then he can post it and have a nice laugh.... When I played with him he posted nothing, because I played with him and got 8 kills on him in BFE (20/8) but next map he killed me for good lel xD.... anyway BFE is not for DM, the balance is a total train-wreck...

I read about ShutUp10 and similar, are those programs worth it? Will they screw your system?

No Marco they don't (of course depends what you pick). And you will receive all updates.

Aaah, then you might have updated it for free when it was allowed.

No, I didn't. I bought an all-new computer, installed Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and activated it using HWIDgen. Everything is the same and nobody is catching anybody, because Windows is activated with a legit key.

I hope so. If they will release a worse OS than Windows 10 despite all negative feedbacks, then it means Bill Gates has earned enough money for a luxurious retirement on Mars...
Jokes aside, usually they have always alternated from a very good OS to the worst OS ever.

Man, I understand it is not the best but it really isn't that bad, I mean all I want from the OS is to not crash or make bullshit errors or lack some feature that I want or used in the past, so far haven't found a single feature (that I used before) that isn't here... Some new features can be bullshit, but I am sure there are tons of guides telling you how to disable them.
What alternating? By this logic Windows 10 had to be very good, because it already went to that shit which was Windows 8.... although I hear Windows 8.1 is not that bad now (no tablet/mobile interface), and very stable....

Thanks. And what about "Predict Remote Players" and prediction of their range?

Yes like I said you need to revert all these commands I showed above to the default, including the FILTER (very important!)
Prediction of Remote Players...... I tested and never found a difference between ON and OFF as long as general prediction is on... I even have player prediction range set to 0, this doesn't mean that they don't get predicted! So I don't know..... from the ranges the most important is the Entities range, set it to something like 100, 100 m radius is enough for predictions but I have no real proof if it is working too because.... I can snipe enemies in SE much further than 100 m and they will get predicted once I aim at them... but I am not really sure on all that.

Jockant

31-01-2020, 19:24

Supersniper98

01-02-2020, 00:15

About computer mice, any mouse with the optical PixArt 3310 sensor and above, shouldn't spin out easily, when flung across the mousepad at REAL fast speeds (the 3310 can still lose track in quick movements, though). Most 'gaming' mice only has the PixArt in them, but some of them are cheap & not much worse, than more expensive ones.

Just some of the newer ones have holes, due the lightweight trend (more lightweight the mouse, the easier it's to aim, apparently). Some of the newer ones also have the holes under the shell.

I use the the Logitech G403 (3366 sensor) & also Logitech's G640 pad with 6% sensitivity in Sam at 400 or 800 DPI

Nonetheless, I don't reckon a top-end mouse is really required to be a great player in Serious Sam Classics, though (only if low sensitivity is used, like me (I'm not great)) :P

Yes you are right, I don't get this trend with lighter mice) I don't want the mouse to fly when I barely give it a push lol, it might be more accurate but it is less stable! But specifically with the M100, the sensor is really bad, I had better sensor with Microsoft mice- they were somehow magically accurate, and I used that mouse 4 years until the cable was damaged xD It wasn't the best, but what to expect for 5-7 euros?) Surely better than the M100! Otherwise the 2 had very similar specs but the M100 was just trash for anything that required a bit of speed, that is why I could play 4 years with the Microsoft, and 1 week with that one... I think that all these things that Marco is trying to explain to me above about how hard it is to aim etc is partially due to the mouse- change it to a little bit better one and you will be OK!) Also if you think because of some person on the internet that Mouse Acceleration is CANCER and that you must turn it off, don't force that opinion on yourself! Test first and find your settings! I see you look online for everything, from what techniques to use in game to what settings to use.... you have to find those yourself- everything is personal preference! For example I play with Mouse Acceleration in SS.... it is harder, but it is not impossible to play with)

Jockant

01-02-2020, 04:07

Supersniper98

01-02-2020, 14:56

Yeah, to my experience it's easier to track small targets with a lighter mouse, but it indeed is harder to keep stable, haha

I used to game with Microsoft Comfort 500 Mouse or some in 2010-2013 with 28% sens and my aim definitely wasn't the best lol I dont know what the DPI of it was, it couldn't be changed, I'm sure

I don't use acceleration myself (Windows Pointer Precision off & 6/11 speed), but some can control it well! According to https://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/ it's said: "Notes:
IMPORTANT: Make sure "Mouse Acceleration" is ON, this is a flat 4x multiplier in Serious Sam, and not variable acceleration. Turn mouse smoothing off by setting "Smooth Axis" to "No" in the menus, or GlobalDontSmoothAxes on the config file.", so my mouse settings are set like that :P

Yeah) It took me way longer to learn how to aim but it is not bad at all... I am very used to it in any game, and from what I found: Serious Sam's Mouse Acceleration simply allows Windows Pointer Precision in the game, i tried turning Pointer Precision off and turning on/off Mouse Acceleration had no effect! So to get the same effect in other games, I turn off their Mouse Acceleration, and turn Raw Input off and it works! lol
My mouse settings in Windows are 3/11 and Pointer Precision ON at 1000 DPI and 125 Hz polling rate, I don't understand what is better in using higher polling rate, it made the mouse more unpredictable and sometimes even buggy for me... maybe because pointer precision works based on the amount of samples or something, I don't know.... could be more beneficial to players who don't use Mouse Acceleration but not me...

red3ninja

01-02-2020, 22:06

What do you think about my extras?
6929

Supersniper98

01-02-2020, 23:26

What do you think about my extras?
6929

Probably better than Logitech M100 :lol:
And my keyboard is also like that, simple but very cool keyboard)

Marco

01-02-2020, 23:36

Kacper is doing that less but he still is..... it is mostly his brother, but they are both generally doing the same thing and they are toxic... you want proof? Watch this demo (FE):
https://mega.nz/#!TzBTDSSC!kdlhP7E3R...6tMRJZy7UHWZRc
Pay close attention how he F9s when he got killed and how in less than 2 seconds leaves when I join.
About the 2 years - NO) There are a bunch of people in SS DM that literally haven't moved for more than 3-4 or more years, and Kacper has also not moved since 2018.

Maybe it is: they get paid for stainless scores! :xd:

ME personally in HD with just over 15 hours, humiliated a person who had on his profile 1200 hours, and a bunch of other dudes with hidden profiles but I am sure they play at least 500 hours... (maybe you know them - [~TMA~] clan, I casually joined and it was my 10th game and I won 2 maps in a row) just playing is not going to make you win, you just get experience but when you can't play all the experience you can possibly get from this game is not going to save you.... I fell into their tactics once or twice but then it doesn't work) It is very simple)

Never heard about TMA. Sorry, it is almost 2 years I don't play SamHD anymore.

Who are the dudes? Thousands italians have been playing there... Btw, does anybody still play there??? You might have found some people because it was a black friday or a cyber monday for sure...

Certainly you can't beat a player with 1200 hours if you have only 15. He must have played Co-op or survival only for most of the time or it was a rusty former player. And with 15 hours of playtime, in SSHD, you can't even learn maps layout or basic movements, lol... Ok, I'll believe you: just record a demo of you having a duel against him and post it on YT. :P ;) :yes:

Well you complain because people like to aim horizontally or what?

... :pitiful:

Ok, let me say I complain about something... Not precisely what, but something.

It is the nature of thirdperson

No, impossible: this game has the best implemented mouselooking ever... :rolleyes:

if you play for a long time like that you will do it too

Oh, yes. Captain Obvious was here...

They like to move their mouse away or somewhere in the center and focus on the enemy , somehow it is easier than track- this doesn't prove anything especially since it is a clip from 2007, that is his own style, and standards have risen a lot since then.... if you played like that running around you would be surely dead, even if he didn't play against pros but only average players... yes horizontal hits is what I already said to you, most people don't even bother to aim, and pros sometimes, to make it easier, combine both aiming and strafing, that is why the movement may seem mainly horizontal but they are NOT limited to it... and again, NO they are NOT missing a lot of hits in Red Station, they miss SOME... it happens! (I am sure it would happen in other games too) The random demo on Petar's server is probably Mossberg dude - who I like to call "no-mouse" guy... now with his ping it is hard but no, he can try to aim, he just doesn't.... he aims in a general direction and strafes every opponent and that is why he misses many shots, but sometimes this goddamn technique works for a bit, totally pissing off everyone who is trying to aim at least a bit... Other than that (idk what do you mean by fake-hits) especially if you look at a demo, no there aren't misses, they can be misses on your screen, but never in the demo....

1- That isn't Ibo style, that is #everybodywhohassomeskillwithdoubleshotgun style;

2- The date of the clip has nothing to do with it: it's still Serious Sam! Maybe 1.05 and not 1.07... but still the same game! The point, here, is the best "aim" implemented ever on a game, which is the same in 2007 as in 2020, not Ibo's or standard tactics and his opponents skill!

3- The horizontal moves: we have been talking about the same thing for a week now. For you is actual aim, without limitations, just as implemented on more modern games, and I still don't agree. But ok...

4- This demo:

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The problem is the infinite ammo, so you don't count the failed shots. I'll consider only part 1, it's enough. BUT... On Bad Boy side, since you asked me to show you only skilled players (Mossberg for me is only that annoying Grenade Launcher camper/spammer with Stainless Steve skin at Hole).
From 25:20, Mossberg moves strafing a lot and Bad Boy misses 10 shots out of 11, then 2 more. One minute later, 26:20, Mossberg is jumping from the Cannon's room pad, Bad Boy misses 2 out of 2 when his opponent is mid-air. This is what I was talking about.

5- A fakehit is when you miss (or fail) a hit... What's new?

The reason why most of HD players today call thirdperson gay and Point Man even calls it "wall-fucking" or "fucking with the walls" is because unlike in Classic you have FOV control so they play on some ridiculous 130 FOV that I can never get used to... and also thirdperson is 50 km behind the player or something, they totally overdid it... 130 FOV in HD is ALMOST equivalent to Classic SE thirdperson on 90 FOV in close range... what these players dont realize is that by adding such huge FOV they lose everything at long range, so I took exactly advantage of that when I beat those Italian guys, HD players are strange, most of the time they ignore first shots and they are totally blind at a distance...

No. In 2014 some of the most skilled players (Trapper, *ENjoy*, Mosè, etc... mostly italians), who simultaneously used to play Quake Live, decided to impose QL standards to high-level duels for at least 2 main reasons: 1) they wanted to appear better than Zeb, and 2) if TotalEnigma played like this then you are going to follow the Absolute God's way. :funny: :funny: :funny:

They imposed:

- No Serious Damage usage;

- No 3rd person view usage (use only 1st person or els u r a fuqqin n00b!1!!!!111);

- No Sniper Mask usage (use only No Scope or els u r a 160 damages lamer faggot!!11!11!1!!);

- No Chainsaw usage (because Zeb uses it).

FOV has nothing to do with it.

Just to demonstrate how ridiculous they are: when in 2014 I was playing Shotty Trouble server against Bloodnowsky here on the old Sam, I tried playing first person only. When I wrote to him on purpose that he was playing unfair cause of 3rd person and out of map, he laughed at me (rightly).

Point Man once told me "third person, the only thing you can do". I believe it was 2015 or 2016. Maybe he "lost" his memory, cause he played a lot using 3rd person and SD until 2013-2014. He is just totally incoherent and the only thing he deserves is a medium finger at his face (or his ass, what's the difference?). Also he only had to shut up, since he was winning thanks to my LAG. You are winning; win your game and shut up: don't act as a clown, since nobody asked you for an opinion about my VIEW USAGE... But, anyway, fuck it, fuck him: who the fuck cares about it now?

If other ones use 130 I don't know and I don't like it, because of the distortion it creates on both views (we call it "fish's view"). I personally use FOV at 120 (which is optimal), I have always played at the lowest details possible from 3 different laptops (Samsung RV-520, MSi CR-650 and HP Pavilion dv6-1223sl) and the only skin I couldn't see from a long distance (from Heart to Single Shotgun platform - SamHD has another Double Shotgun right there now) was Canned Cain at Hole.
That being said, I don't understand why SamHD players are "blind" at a long distance... I have observed so many duels at Hole and players often fight from a long distance and they can still aim. Maybe you are referring to the fact they are used only to SWDM skins now...

YES! EXACTLY THIS MOUSE) I tell you it was OK for most things, and if you move it slow it is fine, but when you try to flick fast it FAILS: either it is aiming you in totally wrong direction or it keeps moving even though you stopped- the sensor is just not made for it, if you think I had a broken mouse, here is a thread I randomly found by just googling:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/d...8719795545829/
(Guy decided to buy a new one lol)

You might not notice anything if your sensitivity is high, but I really don't advise you to do this, this mouse is 1000 DPI, I advise to play under 20 %... now that , so I want you to explain me that because I never understood why...

Aside from the fact that the Steam discussion above gives no information at all about the settings eventually used by that guy, such as pointer speed, pointer acceleration, whether he was using SetPoint or not... but anyway... I currently use 6/11, acceleration disabled, enhanced Windows precision disabled and I didn't notice something weird yet. My guess is you increased the 11ths speed to something higher. If I use 7, that is already too fast for me. And when I used 5 for a while, it was just too slow. How much fast do I have to move to lock the mouse?

Until last year I had general sensitivity 38 or 40% and XY axis at 44 or 46%.

In Co-op I play in 1st person because it has to be played like this.

I remember seeing you in coop you were aiming in First Person and for some reason... it was bad- worse than some casuals who play

Lol, are you provoking me? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I know that I play with bad hardware, but looool! Ok, I want to see this demo where I play worse than a noob in Co-op now. :P

do you not have any space for the mouse or what?

I still use a mousepad from the desktop we bought in 2000 or 2001, it is 26 cm left-right and 23,1 cm front-back, black gum, but it had a glued "carpet" (now detached) where the mouse stands on, which reduces surface to 24x19,5 cm. I can't remove the carpet, because the mouse works worse on the gum. The problem is when this carpet moves. Then, yeah, my mouse could lock. But it is rare (generally due by humidity).

I have read from GraphX that if you have a gaming mouse, set high DPI and low sensitivity, then you have to go to a certain website and do some tests... and the website will tell how much space for a complete turn based on every configuration parameter of yours. And I read there are people who need a lot of space for a 360° turn. Ooook, I don't doubt all of that is useful... But I'm not planning to compete at QuakeCON. :)

Space could be a limitation (I have the monitor, the printer, an old scanner I revived - but has buggy software - and a lot of documents on my table), but I think the main problem is I use an optical mouse on a surface designed for a PS/2 mechanical mouse with the ball (this we had the first time). Anyway... I can still pwn Lendru and he quits saying "bye cheater". B)

This HD game is FUNNY, listen Point Man still likes to make fun of noobs, but he has matured since then ok? His profile now is less cringe...

I hope so for him... Otherwise I would think he is more retarded than PLUTO...

About the video, ehm
1. No score was shown anywhere, and it was an edit but I don't care who won
2. No ping was shown anywhere (could be that this guy hosted, not that it was impossible to win like that too but anyway)

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Oh, wait: I forgot about that DEAD PART that has been cut out by MrRocket.

Of course it is a demo. They changed everything in the interface, and you can't even see names of observers who spoke in chat... For who won, you can still ask MrRocket or Point Man for their logs and count all kills in those games... Btw, it's a shame you don't understand italian (sorry, no offense intended: you can say the same to me for not understanding russian yet, or bulgarian or greek). Look at the guy writing "the number #1 of russians". Another guy replies to him in italian, saying "Do not make fool of him, he can still rip apart your ass"; another one says "The Point Man is getting sloppy". If Point Man was winning, they would have probably asslicked him or said "Rocket, he is destroying you!".

WTF?? Hosted game? There were public servers, and players who wish to duel used to 60 mins ban those who were playing deathmatch before just for their goddamn duel.
However, MrRocket between 2015 and 2017 has defeated other high-level players who had over 2000 hours too, such as Trapper, The Prestige, SeriousAle, Serious Manu, all champions who played tournaments in Serious Sam HD back then.

Note: if you can't see ping on right bottom, then demo simply doesn't show it or MrRocket didn't activate the "show" command from console. :wtf:

3. Point Man plays nothing like this today lol, I was watching the video and thinking, man was he really this stupid?

Yes, he was. :haha: This video is from 2015 or 2016 and Point Man was at his best back then. He lost against a kid (because MrRocket in early 2015 wanted to 60 mins ban me cause I killed him once at Royal Purgatory and he was 14 years old then) who began years and years after him (2014) and who played infinitely less than him, but played smarter and had already 1 1/2 or 2 years of experience back then.

HOURS IN THIS GAME DON'T help you

I've always read such sentence, everywhere. But it is only partly true.

Too many hours don't help you only if you don't play smartly or if you played other modes, or simply if you played a long time ago and you return after being inactive for a while (that could be 6+ months or years). But to reach acceptable, high level at SamHD you need a good connection and at least 2-3 years of experience, which will mean at least 800-900 hours (if you play constantly; not everyday or every week, but constantly, which means not too long pauses during the months). Before that, you have no meat nor fish flavor.

but he took the time to really improve, and now he is not rushing his opponent without thinking like in that video

No, wait.... Do you think he was new when he played those games in the video??? :o

WRONG) I know him, he joins rarely now (SE HD), he never lost any shape..

How can you know him if you have only 15 hours... :P How can you say he didn't get weaker although inactivity if you didn't see him during the previous years, when he was in Immortals clan and fought clanwars too.. I don't see him now because I don't play anymore too, but he will not be the same as before for sure.

and like I said HOURS MEAN NOTHING!

In fact, then Point Man is a moron twice because he lost against a player who didn't even have half of his playing time... :yes:

Too many hours do not mean anything of course, but you still have to spend a certain amount of them...

And anyway the problem is mainly Steam that counts hours in an incorrect way. For example: I remember when I was chatting on Steam with another player (I remember this guy was scared of aliens and UFOs, and he was 18), but we stopped playing, so that I had SSHD at main menu. We kept chatting until about 3:00 AM, then I turned off Sam. Well, for Steam you are still playing even if you are stuck at main menu. Log, instead, prints hh.mm:ss of every action you are doing... and it accumulates every Serious Engine 3 startup, while in the original Serious Sam the log gets reset at every new boot of the game.

He learned a large part of what he is capable of now from other Arena Shooter games, not SS

Fantastic: he plays SamHD since 2010-2011, but he learnt how to play this game from outside of it... :rolleyes:

call him spawn killer or whatever , it is not Classic FE- there is no ng rule he will kill you when he wants.

Once I was playing LT on Serious Sam 3, I believe it was german server. He joins and he won the game in a few minutes with only Double Shotgun.

In Medieval Rage, back to SSHD, you are in the map and he is already in front of you with Double Shotgun. You hit him the first time, but STOP! There is lag that doesn't register the hit. If you are lucky, you can hit him once and reduce his life to red. But, when you click for the last shot, you can't shoot, some milliseconds pass and then death view.

Then he goes to have a duel in a bigger map (where he CANNOT find his opponent earlier) and he looses against an under 18.

He can control only small maps because he spawnkills a lot (and ng rule has nothing to do with it; it doesn't even exist on SE old). But in bigger maps he has to search for his opponent (if it is duel) so he can't play as he wishes.

Look, he is for sure more skilled than me. And he is for sure one of the most skilled players in that game. But he isn't the absolute Number One you believe :nope: :nope: (just because he was the only skilled player you saw there). He can still be beaten if you have as much as needed experience to study and track his movements.

I knew him this way by the years. You know when I saw him playing "decently"? In 2013, when we had a clanwar. Immortals vs Serious Team, 3vs3 at Hole and Jump Over. My clan back then was new, only the leader (Nobel3D, who used to play both Serious Sam - original and HD) was a skilled player. Point Man came with 2 more russian teammates and they won widely. But the difference was we weren't properly trained (I had only 3 months experience back then, and no tactics) and we didn't play as a team; they, instead, used to attack always and always united and had already 2 years of experience at least.

Also, you are treating me like I never ever played Serious Sam HD. For Steam, I have about 792-793 hours, even if I didn't always play but I often observed others. I was active between 2013 and 2018, and I have been very long times without playing this game from time to time.
I know I've always been a mediocre player, maybe for my network, maybe for too many and too long pauses (I had to learn basic movements again from scratch every time I came back from a long inactivity, lol).
But I was able to "catch" opponents moves already in 2015-2016. That you don't still get is your brain's "prediction" (how you are calling it) is useless if you have a laggy connection that prevents your sprite to perform the proper actions. You can have all of the "mental" prediction you want, but lag makes you worse than you really are. If I had the possibility to play with russian ultra-fiber too, I can't have proof that I would have been the best or I would have been able to defeat Point Man at anytime (playing still less than him)... but I would have played much better than I did, and maybe there wouldn't have been so much difference between me and the tops. Btw, Point Man, with my connection, would have had the same results as me, I can tell you that. And this is applicable to everybody. Ayrton Senna won 3 F1 World Drivers Championships by driving a McLaren-Honda, not a Toleman-Hart.
Anyway, fuck the past, I don't care about it anymore, because this game is dead before its old version, which is still played.

It is really funny how compared to Classic, HD players (especially in that video) look like they play without even thinking, and I am totally convinced of that,

Ok, :rolleyes: if you are convinced 15 hours are just enough to become a master :rolleyes: , then go for a duel against Trapper, The Prestige, MrRocket, OTACON (the "italian" Point Man: he registered on Steam in 2016 and in 2018 he already had 1800 hours on SamHD, lol), Hush, Clow and see how they don't think at all and how :lol: blind they are... ;) You have no idea how much you have to train, to be fast like that and win without dying multiple times.

But anyway, other players don't help themselves too, why do they write bullshit to him in the chat and leave immediately?

Heh, that is a common problem in every Serious Sam; like Kacper with you or Lendru with me...

When I played with him he posted nothing, because I played with him and got 8 kills on him in BFE (20/8) but next map he killed me for good lel xD.... anyway BFE is not for DM, the balance is a total train-wreck...

I have been that unlucky to play Serious Sam 3's DM too... I won only in classic maps. That game is basically a castrated Serious Sam HD.

No Marco they don't (of course depends what you pick). And you will receive all updates.

Hmm, I don't like that "depends". :scared: There are 2 ways: not installing them at all, or trying which one doesn't breach the system.

No, I didn't. I bought an all-new computer, installed Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and activated it using HWIDgen. Everything is the same and nobody is catching anybody, because Windows is activated with a legit key.

Did it come included in the price with desktop, then? Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 had "Retail" version for desktops. Is it the same for your 10 Pro?

Man, I understand it is not the best but it really isn't that bad, I mean all I want from the OS is to not crash or make bullshit errors or lack some feature that I want or used in the past, so far haven't found a single feature (that I used before) that isn't here... Some new features can be bullshit, but I am sure there are tons of guides telling you how to disable them.
What alternating? By this logic Windows 10 had to be very good, because it already went to that shit which was Windows 8.... although I hear Windows 8.1 is not that bad now (no tablet/mobile interface), and very stable....

Well, I'll see in june or later. Let me sell some calves first... :D

In fact Windows 8.1 has arrived after 8...

Yes like I said you need to revert all these commands I showed above to the default, including the FILTER (very important!)
Prediction of Remote Players...... I tested and never found a difference between ON and OFF as long as general prediction is on... I even have player prediction range set to 0, this doesn't mean that they don't get predicted! So I don't know..... from the ranges the most important is the Entities range, set it to something like 100, 100 m radius is enough for predictions but I have no real proof if it is working too because.... I can snipe enemies in SE much further than 100 m and they will get predicted once I aim at them... but I am not really sure on all that.

The problem is PredictionFilter must have a decimal value. Croteam's formula:

must be <1, or entities will run out of control.

0.5? 0.9? 0.2?

If those do not work, they might be... deprecated?

red3ninja

02-02-2020, 10:19

@Marko
I am one of the weakest players and I am very lucky. Sometimes I hit the target, other times I fail.

Marco

02-02-2020, 12:10

I don't use acceleration myself (Windows Pointer Precision off & 6/11 speed)

Uh, you too? I turned off everything last year and used 5/11 until a week ago. Changed to 7/11, but too fast. 6/11 is the best setting for me. :)

What do you think about my extras?
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I want that piano, lol! :lach:

Probably better than Logitech M100 :lol:
And my keyboard is also like that, simple but very cool keyboard)

No, he was talking about "extras". :P

That piano would be better than your cool keyboard for sure! :aww:

@Marko
I am one of the weakest players and I am very lucky. Sometimes I hit the target, other times I fail.

Yes. And guess why: because aim, in Serious Sam, is... dog's dick way made. :yes: And I brought as example Bad Boy, who is one of the most accurate players with Raptor Rifle: even him can fail shots in this game, due to how mouse support is BADLY implemented. But Supersniper keeps saying the aim is flawless here... :rolleyes:

Supersniper98

02-02-2020, 19:09

Shit ok ok man you win, this is getting way too time consuming to reply to (especially with quotes idk maybe I am not used to it), I am not trying to provoke you here ok! Just my opinions!
About the "not possible with only 15 hours" ok take your screenshots:
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Now I just joined here with my other account for fun, but here are my hours on both accounts (currently):
Other account:
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Main account:
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All these people are with private profile except the last guy (Andrew gamehag.com):
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It is an older screenshot I took earlier when I played this game (was over month ago, strangely I can't find his profile anymore it doesn't appear in search...)

Anyway all this is irrelevant, you are right here: there is some truth about hours but your experience with other similar games and also how you use these hours matter (that is why I said Point Man learned from other games too)... I was trying to say that Point Man used these hours more efficiently now than before, I didn't say that "he was a noob with no hours in this video", because from that game that I saw, it looked like he had been the same for over 1300 hours.

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EDIT: I just looked and to give you a perspective how rare did Point Man play since then (compared to his growth in skill)
He had 2800 hours in that video in 2016, today- 3 years+ later, he has 3100.
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I don't need to have hours in SE HD to know Point Man man! Unlike you, long before I even touch TSE HD I know him in Discord and there you can see his behavior immediately, I don't wanna compliment him, he still has bad traits but from what I saw before, it is much better....

Ok sorry, you have 800 hours in SE HD (could have spent it in something better than this game with the most toxic community to be honest), you know it better then... but!: Very big compilation of my first 15 hours incoming here:

OTACON?) I played with him, of course he raped me) But I pissed him off)) He started crying about ping when he died 5 times when we were 4 players lel)) Then at duel it was much easier and cleaner for him to kill me, naturally. The point ;) is, I didn't have any problem following his moves, what I saw him doing was silent-walking across the map the entire time (very annoying bug among many many other bugs in SS HD & SS3 that make the DM in those games a JOKE) and listening to where I was going, sitting behind the corners and engaging. Those were funny 15 hours man, I witnessed the full extent of how toxic this community was, some Russian said on my 2nd (!!!!!) game that I am a gay noob and 12 year old in Russian and that he can say that because he is on the internet and here everything is allowed with no consequence (some guy from >>M<< clan, I think it was strifelongue can't remember), on my 1st (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) game by another Russian I got told "and who the fuck are you", at my 6th game some Italians were speaking Italian to me but I saw word cazzo so I understood what they wanted, later they spoke broken English and insulted me, on that game with OTACON, he wouldn't dare to join when Point Man was there even on Melody's server where OTACON had 50 ping less than him, and he even dared to complain about ping on Italian server!!))) This was just gold and hilarious! Of course I don't stand any chance against any of them, but I pissed them off BOTH and a number of other people by just stepping into the game!! OTACON runs off immediately in Russian servers saying the ping is too big, even though it is lower than what the Russians have on Melody's... I only give +rep to the TMA dudes you see on the screenshot, they remained silent (I think, saw them speaking something but I think it was something not important between themselves) and this is what every other player in SE HD should do, but a bunch of them just like to flame left and right.... and now I come to that point: ;) You spent here 800 hours!!.. ok maybe you had friends in the game or something - good for you.... but if someone more normal than me got this image that I explained above for the first 15 hours, he would delete the game, give it a negative review on Steam, and move on with his life. Nothing like this would ever happen in Classic, trust me.... I made experiments too. If you are not extremely good, everyone tolerates you, and just plays for fun. In HD, I didn't even play good but because he did not get a perfect score becoz of some 15 hour fag he will not sleep at night. I do not defend Point Man, I try to explain to you that he is not that retarted anymore, he will not post constantly screenshots of humiliating people etc like he used to... but I want you to stop defending Italian players too, you will not get it because you are Italian.... the ones that I saw have a very negative attitude towards non-Italians for some reason... I did not even SPEAK and they assumed I am a "Russian fucker" in 1 game....
Oh I played a bit with The Prestige too (I think I saw it in his steam profile written, but he had another name) - in my opinion he was much better than OTACON, who's movements I could almost entirely read and damage him good, while for that The Prestige guy I had no chance of even standing in front of him..... still worse than Point Man tho :|
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Lendru has problem with you? Lendru has problems with everyone who kills him man, relax!)
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Now on the topic of Bad Boy and his misses: it just happens... have you not seen a time where he would hit every shot too? But you are missing the very big point (;) again) here: Only you complain! I spoke to Bad Boy numerous times, he will NEVER blame the aiming in this game, when I talked to him he always blamed the netcode, and he asked me to make him some good Net Settings so that it isn't that bad- where I gladly helped him. But I can understand absolutely all the complaints regarding the netcode! However I don't understand what is the problem with the mouse! Do you think Jack complains? no (only about netcode) Capricornus? About him, maybe, I don't know- but not making any deal about it as far as I have seen. Do you think Zdzichu complains? Another no! Only people complain about him (but that is another story xD).

And here, Vampir didn't even complain about aiming in the game being bad. I read this as "I am a bad player" (he is not but ok)
Don't always blame other things for lack of skill! I remember before I was playing on this Microsoft office mouse that I mentioned earlier, the desk had holes in it (like craters lol) every time my aim would bump when I go over them... relatively small space on desk (I could do only about 250 degrees when moving the mouse on normal speed- mouse acceleration stuff is hard to measure...), my internet is still not very far away from yours but I did not complain even when my computer was an old laptop from 2007 with a bunch of questionable programs running in the background that were maybe eating the performance!!! I could never go back to that situation, but I got better there and I will never forget it!)

Now to the more normal part of this post. (Sorry if I possibly conveyed some negative attitude before, I don't mean it)

Hmm, I don't like that "depends". There are 2 ways: not installing them at all, or trying which one doesn't breach the system.
Well yes, but like I mentioned earlier HWIDgen is cool. Naturally when you try to run it... to scare off people who don't know exactly what they are doing, Windows Defender is showing red lights all over the place but nothing too hard here- you just add the file in the exceptions and continue... of course they will flag as a virus an application that tries to digitally activate Windows without them wanting it :shifty:

Did it come included in the price with desktop, then? Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 had "Retail" version for desktops. Is it the same for your 10 Pro?
Nothing included here, I don't buy a ready desktop computer, I bought all the parts and built it.... there was no system on it, I downloaded Windows 10 installer that is available, and you can even use it forever if you don't activate it.... just there will be this annoying watermark telling you to activate it and you will not be able to customize Themes, setting Desktop background only for 2nd monitor etc...

In fact Windows 8.1 has arrived after 8...
Hm) I don't count 8.1 as a separate OS, more like a fix for 8 lolo

0.5? 0.9? 0.2?
0.5 is the default value. Listen to the Croteam dudes- if you put it over 1 you will get desync (tried it, it was very hilarious xD... people would literally clip through walls), but you can experiment with values ... just I think not above 0.7... opponents are even faster than before when they strafe lol

Supersniper98

03-02-2020, 00:55

Hello Marko! I write to you again in case you are still not convinced! I just played another 3-4 hours TSE HD! Vilkro's alt account (main has 700 hours in SE HD) and M1szczu >>M<< (1700 hours) were completely obliterated in Shotty by me (24 hours at this time - had about 18/8), I was about to take screenshots but that Italian lupoalby and Vilkro (who was trolling and pressing to accept the vote) were kicking me the whole time and the Italian was screaming in chat "YOU ARE CHEATERS" yes cheater"s" idk why he uses plural the whole time. In normal maps, naturally the >>M<< guy was on top but in ST they had absolutely 0 chance) You still think, that hours are everything??? I am very bad at moving, but these guys prioritize moving too much, literally half the time I stand still, and shoot them) and IT WORKS) This guy is worse than Lendru :| And this >>M<< guy asked me "who are you??"... "I am from Classic" I said, he replied nothing. Vilkro replied "my grandfather fought there" :pitiful:
After spectating for a while, both the >>M<< guy and the Italian Lendru left silently.

Marco

03-02-2020, 17:52

Shit ok ok man you win

Oh, no, that wasn't my goal! :dohdoh: :dohdoh: :dohdoh:

Now I just joined here with my other account for fun, but here are my hours on both accounts (currently):
Other account:
6950
Main account:
6951

2 Accounts? Is SSHD F2P again?

that is why I said Point Man learned from other games too

Well, if you have 1-2 years of experience (at least) from other games of the same genre, I can agree at the following points: the most common things you learn in all Arena games are to learn map layouts, map tricks, game movements, items timing, weapons functionality and how to "catch" opponent moves. That being said, Serious Sam has a different type of maps and trick jumps other arena games don't have.

When I joined there, I had no experience yet. While you joined after some years (I don't know how many) you were already playing the old Serious Sam. Only this can explain I learnt very slowly and you faster.

I was trying to say that Point Man used these hours more efficiently now than before, I didn't say that "he was a noob with no hours in this video", because from that game that I saw, it looked like he had been the same for over 1300 hours.

Ah, then I read the wrong concept between lines.

I don't need to have hours in SE HD to know Point Man man! Unlike you, long before I even touch TSE HD I know him in Discord and there you can see his behavior immediately, I don't wanna compliment him, he still has bad traits but from what I saw before, it is much better....

Well, if you knew him before joining Serious Sam HD, then sorry. Personally I never ever had any chat with him. My "experience" with him was only ingame. And, yes, he never (almost never) speaks. To tell the truth he wrote to me only that thing at that time. I had much more talks with MrSnabz or JimmieBlack (excluding italians).

Ok sorry, you have 800 hours in SE HD (could have spent it in something better than this game with the most toxic community to be honest), you know it better then...

I know what you mean. I think almost every non-italian has written this consideration. But many italians did it too.

There are some thought partisanships about this. I can only tell you this game a) has always had a lot of under 18, and b) has always lacked a forum community, like could be here at 42Amsterdam (read --> missing a Petar or other admins who have the task to ban trashtalkers and kids), c) the fact clans died, thus nobody helping nobody anymore, and d) we are in the social networks era, where people do hope you die or they are happy when a person dies by an accident. Then, there are more points, but it would be way too long.

OTACON?) I played with him, of course he raped me) But I pissed him off)) He started crying about ping when he died 5 times when we were 4 players lel)) Then at duel it was much easier and cleaner for him to kill me, naturally.

No... I can't believe nothing has changed from the last time I saw him... anyway I thought he won 34354465466574 games and then he left saying "I go to Quake Live now, so that all of you nUUbzzz can win some games" (he said once, lol). :retard:

Yes, the main problem of these guys is they might be good at playing, but they behave bad. I also bet he attempted to vote for a 60 minutes ban for you or for one randomly picked from those 4 players who were there, or he attempted a vote for restarting the map...

The point is, I didn't have any problem following his moves, what I saw him doing was silent-walking across the map the entire time (very annoying bug among many many other bugs in SS HD & SS3 that make the DM in those games a JOKE)

Wait, sorry: I don't remember about this right now. What bug was that? I remember it was possible to walk "silent" only when crouched. But crouching has weird effects sometimes: you may need to duck again because you can't move properly on the stairs (example at Jump Over when you go for the jump pads).

some Italians were speaking Italian to me but I saw word cazzo so I understood what they wanted, later they spoke broken English and insulted me

Please, post log of this :lach: :lach: :lach: so I can translate. "Cazzo" in italian has 1000000+ meanings as it is used in 10000000+ contexts. If anybody writes this only, it could be a swear for a mistake (like russians when they write only "Сука" without anything else), or that he has a problem with the game. The most common formula used in SamHD was using this lines for lag:

cazzo
lag

That means "fuck, lag".

But it can be used (unluckily) for offenses too. I don't want to offend anyone, since you guys here are mostly russians and bulgarians, but those players offend mostly russians like that (italians and russians have always formed most of the player base in SamHD). I will replace it with "italian", though: "italiano del cazzo" --> "fucking italian". You wrote they offended you because they believed you were a russian, they might have written like that...

Anyway, this word literally means "dick", so we use in the place of the more scientific "penis"...

You spent here 800 hours!!

Yes, I had to vaccinate. In my case, not only italians insulting me for being sardinian... but some sardinians too... insulting me and my mother (and doing so in southern sardinian language), just because I use a sardinian flag with the word "independence" on it as my avatar...

But the main problem, as I wrote above, aren't these words that much (even if that day I wanted to kill those guys so much for offending my mother.. lucky them I lived in Turin back then... however, I now ignore everyone who insults me there)... The problem is when they start votes for kicking or banning you for 60 minutes. Croteam made a huge mistake in inserting this feature! They put this and they removed the possibility to set passwords for servers. Yes, of course trashtalking is not good. That's why I was saying this game needed a Petar who banned for some weeks such people for that.

And although that, I've been in love with the gameplay too much.

Note: as far as I remember, there was a guy, HungerMockingJay, who was able to speak both in russian and italian, and he used to troll very much in chat.

To be honest, I found polish players were the most polite there. My first clan leader, DamianX, and Poważny Grzegorz (he later changed his nick to uczciwy), the first ones who come to my mind, were very fair people. Grzegorz/uczciwy had more than 1000 hours back in 2013 and was very good in DM/Duel, but he used to play Survival too in Serious Sam HD.

Lendru has problem with you? Lendru has problems with everyone who kills him man, relax!)

<< Rewind:

Kacper I bet he would play against you all day but when he sees me he runs out of the server in less than 2 seconds

Anyway... I can still pwn Lendru and he quits saying "bye cheater". B)

other players don't help themselves too, why do they write bullshit to him in the chat and leave immediately?

Heh, that is a common problem in every Serious Sam; like Kacper with you or Lendru with me...

I thought you got my irony there. :) Ok, I may have forgotten an emoticon B) :letsrock: at the second sentence.

Now on the topic of Bad Boy and his misses: it just happens... have you not seen a time where he would hit every shot too? But you are missing the very big point ( again) here: Only you complain! I spoke to Bad Boy numerous times, he will NEVER blame the aiming in this game, when I talked to him he always blamed the netcode, and he asked me to make him some good Net Settings so that it isn't that bad- where I gladly helped him. But I can understand absolutely all the complaints regarding the netcode! However I don't understand what is the problem with the mouse! Do you think Jack complains? no (only about netcode) Capricornus? About him, maybe, I don't know- but not making any deal about it as far as I have seen. Do you think Zdzichu complains? Another no! Only people complain about him (but that is another story xD).

And here, Vampir didn't even complain about aiming in the game being bad. I read this as "I am a bad player" (he is not but ok)
Don't always blame other things for lack of skill! I remember before I was playing on this Microsoft office mouse that I mentioned earlier, the desk had holes in it (like craters lol) every time my aim would bump when I go over them... relatively small space on desk (I could do only about 250 degrees when moving the mouse on normal speed- mouse acceleration stuff is hard to measure...), my internet is still not very far away from yours but I did not complain even when my computer was an old laptop from 2007 with a bunch of questionable programs running in the background that were maybe eating the performance!!! I could never go back to that situation, but I got better there and I will never forget it!)

Yes, in parts 1 and 2 he quickly reaches 11-4 with a lot of one-shots. The situations were different, though.
Yes, you are right: it was me who raised such a big dusty storm. I saw the first post of Vampir so I was the first who went :Offtopic:. I'm sorry for that. :(

Well yes, but like I mentioned earlier HWIDgen is cool. Naturally when you try to run it... to scare off people who don't know exactly what they are doing, Windows Defender is showing red lights all over the place but nothing too hard here- you just add the file in the exceptions and continue... of course they will flag as a virus an application that tries to digitally activate Windows without them wanting it

I don't doubt about the key generator. My biggest fear is the reliability of Shutup10 and other programs like that.

Nothing included here, I don't buy a ready desktop computer, I bought all the parts and built it.... there was no system on it, I downloaded Windows 10 installer that is available, and you can even use it forever if you don't activate it.... just there will be this annoying watermark telling you to activate it and you will not be able to customize Themes, setting Desktop background only for 2nd monitor etc...

A Windows 10 installer is like an ISO of Windows 7 to put on an USB drive?

That was a good choice and you saved money instead of paying a technician. :) My friend I mentioned in older posts assembled his last pc too, in 2014. He does every 7 years.

0.5 is the default value. Listen to the Croteam dudes- if you put it over 1 you will get desync (tried it, it was very hilarious xD... people would literally clip through walls), but you can experiment with values ... just I think not above 0.7... opponents are even faster than before when they strafe lol

Ok, thank you. :)

Additional note about the last part of my previous comment:

If those do not work, they might be... deprecated?

is referred to PredictPlayersRange, LocalPLayers and RemotePlayers. Since you dodn't notice any difference when activating these:

Prediction of Remote Players...... I tested and never found a difference between ON and OFF as long as general prediction is on... I even have player prediction range set to 0, this doesn't mean that they don't get predicted! So I don't know..... from the ranges the most important is the Entities range, set it to something like 100, 100 m radius is enough for predictions but I have no real proof if it is working too because.... I can snipe enemies in SE much further than 100 m and they will get predicted once I aim at them... but I am not really sure on all that.

I want to ask you: now PredictionFlushing remains, what does it control?

M1szczu >>M<< (1700 hours)

I don't know who this Miszczu is, "szcz" sounds polish or hungarian, but the >>M<< tag is for "Clan Masters", the clan of Mistrz Mistrzów (some say it means "Champion of the Champions" in polish), who was one of the legendary players back in 2012. This guy (Miszczu) must be a former player from that era.

that Italian lupoalby and Vilkro (who was trolling and pressing to accept the vote) were kicking me the whole time and the Italian was screaming in chat "YOU ARE CHEATERS" yes cheater"s" idk why he uses plural the whole time.

Yeah, as I wrote above, I hate when they do this. It happened to me, too, in several years.

I can only say, last time I had this situation in about 2017 or 2018. An italian guy was using the name of MrDarkFlame (but he wasn't clearly him) and when I entered he starts writing in chat.. and he imitated Zeb89's character sentences, such as "You aren't worth the contents of my rubbish bin". I won about 2-3 games against him and another guy. Well, when he decided to vote for my 60 minutes ban, the vote passed because of that other guy who didn't write anything all the time. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

But the important, for me, is to win on the field against those bad mannered kids. Their bans or their insults won't erase your performance.

However, on the server settings it is possible to deactivate votes so that when you start a vote it won't never pass. Melody rented 2 servers, but since 2017 they have an additional text "(not managed by me)", so I have no idea who ask to... :(

Vilkro's alt account (main has 700 hours in SE HD) and M1szczu >>M<< (1700 hours) were completely obliterated in Shotty by me [...] In normal maps, naturally the >>M<< guy was on top but in ST they had absolutely 0 chance)

Almost nobody plays TFE maps (included Shotty Trouble) + Fronto/ElephantPG in Serious Sam HD.

in case you are still not convinced! I just played another 3-4 hours TSE HD! [...] You still think, that hours are everything???

We are talking about 2 different situations. Deathmatch is not competitive at all, and you can still make it. I won some FFAs too at Quake Live, when I had only 1-2 months of experience, back in 2013, even if those servers were marked "green". But Duel is totally different, especially at high-level. You still need a certain amount of hours (and lost games), but ok.

Supersniper98

03-02-2020, 19:33

2 Accounts? Is SSHD F2P again?

No. I am not crazy to buy this game 2nd time, it is family sharing from my main.

I also bet he attempted to vote for a 60 minutes ban for you or for one randomly picked from those 4 players who were there, or he attempted a vote for restarting the map...

Oh you bet he did, on the Russian server. RESTART OR ME LEAVE or something

Wait, sorry: I don't remember about this right now. What bug was that? I remember it was possible to walk "silent" only when crouched. But crouching has weird effects sometimes: you may need to duck again because you can't move properly on the stairs (example at Jump Over when you go for the jump pads).

Spam W and you make no sound... HOW is it humanly possible for Croteam to not have this bug in Classic and other games, but make it here and you can do it even in SS3 and I THINK maybe even Fusion.

To be honest, I found polish players were the most polite there. My first clan leader, DamianX, and Poważny Grzegorz (he later changed his nick to uczciwy), the first ones who come to my mind, were very fair people. Grzegorz/uczciwy had more than 1000 hours back in 2013 and was very good in DM/Duel, but he used to play Survival too in Serious Sam HD.

Uh yes, maybe... I know Uczciwy he never plays HD, he sticks to SS3's DM which is bad, and he is good but I reached his skill in 30 hours :|
He kept saying "yesyes I am bad..." and that >>M<< guy seemed good.

My biggest fear is the reliability of Shutup10 and other programs like that.

I don't know it

A Windows 10 installer is like an ISO of Windows 7 to put on an USB drive?
That was a good choice and you saved money instead of paying a technician. :)

Yes... what? technician? Why would I pay someone to do my job when I can do it myself? Like it is so hard to install a Windows, a few clicks on "Next" and done....

I want to ask you: now PredictionFlushing remains, what does it control?

I have no idea really :| Only testing will find out and I am lazy to do that.... it is Integer as far as I can see...

I don't know who this Miszczu is, "szcz" sounds polish or hungarian, but the >>M<< tag is for "Clan Masters", the clan of Mistrz Mistrzów (some say it means "Champion of the Champions" in polish), who was one of the legendary players back in 2012. This guy (Miszczu) must be a former player from that era.

The guy who Zeb89 chose to record commentary on his duel with? Nah)
https://steamcommunity.com/id/xMiszczu69/

Almost nobody plays TFE maps (included Shotty Trouble) + Fronto/ElephantPG in Serious Sam HD.

We are talking about 2 different situations. Deathmatch is not competitive at all, and you can still make it. I won some FFAs too at Quake Live, when I had only 1-2 months of experience, back in 2013, even if those servers were marked "green". But Duel is totally different, especially at high-level. You still need a certain amount of hours (and lost games), but ok.

Come on, he must have played at least a bit of FE maps in those 1700 hours, either way his aim and movement is universal, there is no excuses when I was alone in front of him and he would just totally miss his shots and I killed him in 4 shots without taking more than 10 damage.... from the moment I entered this game I saw this is very common, they have some problem with double barrel aiming! (Maybe this horizontal shit from Classic you were talking about helps lol)
OH! And another thing! As I mentioned earlier too many have a problem with prioritizing their opponents! I caught this >>M<< guy twice looking in a direction where some opponent was and he ignores me next to him even though I did to him 80 damage, then he decides to stop looking there and finally react but it was too late... also the other Italian players don't prioritize shit, I would just shoot them, they don't even try to find where I am or something... just keep jumping around hoping that their intense movements will make me miss but it doesn't xD

Jockant

03-02-2020, 20:03

Uh, you too? I turned off everything last year and used 5/11 until a week ago. Changed to 7/11, but too fast. 6/11 is the best setting for me. :)

If I remember correctly, anything above or below 6/11 (default setting), will result in acceleration/deceleration

Marco

03-02-2020, 21:17

No. I am not crazy to buy this game 2nd time, it is family sharing from my main.

Ah, ok.
You know, in the golden age (2012-2016) it was F2P, so many people created second account just for trolling each other. And the demo had "Demo Palenque" (btw, that's terrible here; I remember in mid 00's the very first demo of SE, its room "Poor Newton", the Serious Bomb in the place of the crates and Palenque linked to the Valley of The Jaguar, the squishing doors that were horizontal and no vertical... must look for it in Downloads section here if it still exists..), with 10 out of 12 TSE maps included in DM and at least 3 CTF maps (I remember Ashes To Ashes, Little Trouble and Fort Wars). That wasn't good in my opinion: if practically all DM maps are there, who would buy the full game?
In february 2015 I bought the Complete Pack 80% off.

Oh you bet he did, on the Russian server. RESTART OR ME LEAVE or something

If such people didn't exist, mankind should invent them... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Spam W and you make no sound... HOW is it humanly possible for Croteam to not have this bug in Classic and other games, but make it here and you can do it even in SS3 and I THINK maybe even Fusion.

I know a bunch of bugs there, but I missed this. :lol:
Serious Sam 3 is Serious Engine 3.5 hence why same bugs of HD; and a guy taught me some tricks for getting out of the maps (such as Medina) too.

I know Uczciwy he never plays HD

Then he abandoned it, because I remember lots of his survival screenshots appearing on my "Friends Activities" table from Steam.

I don't know it

I think I'll deactivate only services from installation, when it'll be. I read some more forums... Damn, not 2 men having the same results with those programs... :wtf:

Thanks anyway. :)

I have no idea really :| Only testing will find out and I am lazy to do that.... it is Integer as far as I can see...

Ok, thank you for all of your help. :D

The guy who Zeb89 chose to record commentary on his duel with? Nah)
https://steamcommunity.com/id/xMiszczu69/

Come on, he must have played at least a bit of FE maps in those 1700 hours, either way his aim and movement is universal, there is no excuses when I was alone in front of him and he would just totally miss his shots and I killed him in 4 shots without taking more than 10 damage.... from the moment I entered this game I saw this is very common, they have some problem with double barrel aiming! (Maybe this horizontal shit from Classic you were talking about helps lol)
OH! And another thing! As I mentioned earlier too many have a problem with prioritizing their opponents! I caught this >>M<< guy twice looking in a direction where some opponent was and he ignores me next to him even though I did to him 80 damage, then he decides to stop looking there and finally react but it was too late... also the other Italian players don't prioritize shit, I would just shoot them, they don't even try to find where I am or something... just keep jumping around hoping that their intense movements will make me miss but it doesn't xD

In fact I didn't write he was Mistrz, I wrote his tag was from Mistrz clan, and... I looked at his profile, have seen 8 years from subscription, then checked for his screenshots... He is ProAd1, so... a rusty former player as I suspected. :yes:

Not that he was universally a monster (if compared to others), but in 2013 he would have pwned you for good. ;) :P

If I remember correctly, anything above or below 6/11 (default setting), will result in acceleration/deceleration

Exactly. And another feeling I had was the "Enhanced pointer precision" accelerated mouse movement further in 6/11 that I couldn't control (in Windows)...

It is deactivated now and I think the current pointer movement is now "natural".

Supersniper98

04-02-2020, 15:12

If I remember correctly, anything above or below 6/11 (default setting), will result in acceleration/deceleration

How? What acceleration/deceleration?

Exactly. And another feeling I had was the "Enhanced pointer precision" accelerated mouse movement further in 6/11 that I couldn't control (in Windows)...

It is deactivated now and I think the current pointer movement is now "natural".

Life becomes very fast ;), when you move the slider too far away on Enhanced Mouse Pointer Precision, especially on 1000 DPI. That is why I use 3/11, if I turn off the precision it is WAY too slow, also for me it isn't especially more natural, I used computers my whole life with pointer precision on. People who say "the mouse is drunk" when they have pointer precision on are just strange to me...) and I am strange to them...

Marco

04-02-2020, 16:18

How? What acceleration/deceleration?

Life becomes very fast ;), when you move the slider too far away on Enhanced Mouse Pointer Precision, especially on 1000 DPI. That is why I use 3/11, if I turn off the precision it is WAY too slow, also for me it isn't especially more natural, I used computers my whole life with pointer precision on. People who say "the mouse is drunk" when they have pointer precision on are just strange to me...) and I am strange to them...

3/11 Enh ON = 6/11 Enh OFF?

EDIT: The sense is --> same performance or superior?

Jockant

04-02-2020, 17:06

How? What acceleration/deceleration?

I tried 1/11 with 10k DPI once with precision off lol & it was great, but there was mouse smoothing (almost all mice still has it above 3000/4000 DPI) and some games felt off with it (maybe? acceleration). Besides, 400/800 DPI feels completely fine in smoothness to me even if their tracking is more... 'stairy', when enhanced with enough zoom (there's videos).

But even 200 DPI is fine, I suppose. Using high DPI isn't a big difference to low DPI, unless 480hz monitor is used or some (I have 120hz)

I don't really care that much, 6/11 with precision off feels great to me in most games. I just use the most raw mouselook possible (impossible in some games, like TRON 2.0, mouselook feels dreadful there lol).

Supersniper98

04-02-2020, 18:57

3/11 Enh ON = 6/11 Enh OFF?

EDIT: The sense is --> same performance or superior?

For me personally, yes enhanced precision is superior- I can't hit anything without it lol

Marco

06-02-2020, 15:43

For me personally, yes enhanced precision is superior- I can't hit anything without it lol

And how accurate does the pointer respond in Windows/Desktop?

In Sam: I'm experimenting offline a little bit of deadzone (both axis X-Y), about 10%, but I don't notice any difference;

A doubt about Sam's inp_bMousePrecision: could be in conflict with Windows enhanced one when this is ON?

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Back to the main topic: there is a forum on Vodafone's website. Just checked about it, and people wrote on the comments to ask Vodafone on #twitter for any kind of help... Why do they still mantain a community.vodafone forum if they can provide advanced help from #twitter only... :confused: :pitiful:

Supersniper98

06-02-2020, 17:06

And how accurate does the pointer respond in Windows/Desktop?

In Sam: I'm experimenting offline a little bit of deadzone (both axis X-Y), about 10%, but I don't notice any difference;

A doubt about Sam's inp_bMousePrecision: could be in conflict with Windows enhanced one when this is ON?

I don't think inp_bMousePrecision will change its shitty behavior with Enhanced Pointer precision off.......
The pointer is not extremely accurate, NATURALLY, this is Mouse Acceleration what do you expect.... it is cool for me however if I move it at an average speed (it seems I am quite used to it) and in SS, nothing can beat Mouse Acceleration off for short range and flicks..... but without Mouse Acceleration everything at a distance becomes really hard, that is why I don't turn it off.... you basically have to move mouse a few millimeters and it is still not accurate compared to before, where I could move it the same, just slower....

Supersniper98

31-03-2020, 00:43

Marco

01-04-2020, 22:51

Hello Marco...! Small update on SE HD, I have now about 45 hours on main and 20 hours on alt (65 hour total or something) and I have started having significantly better movement and beat a very large portion of playerbase (around 75-80 %)! The people I beat have on average 700-800 hours and are very active on weekly basis. Everyone, especially Italians raise eyebrows and ask questions) So as you can see nothing is impossible) 5/20 with Point Man in The Lost Tomb doesn't seem so impossible now too) (it was done)

Blyad... this must be an April's fool... :pitiful:

Anyway, of course if you keep practicing you can get your results. My first perfect score of 20-0 I performed in a deathmatch was in april 2013, when I had only 2-3 months of practice (and Point Man was observer), because I practiced for a while. But at that time I had many, many "hours" because Steam's count was incorrect: I observed much more rather than just playing.

And... I'll tell you a secret 7001 :yes:: When I had 420 hours I lost in Fortress (duel, of course) against another italian who had only 30 hours back then. Yes, I lost! Even if I didn't like the map at the time, while he used to play exclusively on it (I remember: 7 years ago the main maps for duels were Fortress, Medieval Rage and Brkeen Chevap).
Do you know why? Because this guy, although he was inactive for months, had a GREAT advantage: he was trained by a more skilled player.

Also, I must have written (or must not) that I've been in 3 clans back then... Don't know about me being weak even if part of a clan... Maybe it was the fact the leaders (I had 2 leaders... 2 because a clan was actually renamed) were recruiting new players (some of them worse than me) and also we didn't have the correct practice (imo) during training sessions... So almost nobody helped me (aside from those guys from other clans who taught me trick jumps).
then I had DMs when I was able to win (especially at Hole and Jump Over)... I was able to "timer" Supers and SD, to use Minigun + SD or Sniper (with or without SD), to perform trick jumps (like in Sun Palace, where I won my very first 20-0)... In short: despite that, I could still lose against 500+ hours players or with just trained ones (this 30 hours guy's name was Alexanderys3009, he lost password and changed account... but I don't remember new name) because I missed the most important thing: the tactics! Only during august 2014 (when I was away from HD for over a year), while analyzing some tournaments on YouTube, I noticed how some players were behaving in Medieval Rage and I started to get something about it...

This is to say: you may have no need of this just because you did such steps on the old Sam years ago, or other games that you played back then and I don't know about it.

But.

But we are saying the same thing and you are still wrong... :P ;)

You are "wrong" because after your practice, you are telling me that you still lose 20-5 against Point Man... Come on, it's just like those italian guys who were happy when they fragged Stermy only one fucking time at Quake Live.

You have to win, you have to defeat him (if you still care something about that dead game, but I think the answer is 'no'): this is the only way to prove that with only a few hours you can beat anyone in the world.
Yes, I know you'd say "Then face him and try by yourself to frag him for 5 times" when 5 frags to Point Man would be impossible for me (especially now)... but there is nothing about being "happy" with this... I mean, you still lose the game if you do 5 but he does 20. Regardless of your level. I've never gotten why weak guys (in a general talking) do start a party and celebrations for having fragged a skilled player just 0+1 times in a whole game.

So, after all, I might have gone on the wrong way and you did just fine 7003... or simply italians are not specialized on this kind of videogames 7002... I have MAME for a couple of years now and I'm playing some arcade games from 70s and 80s these days7004 7005 ... Space Invaders is still better than Serious Sam HD, at least you don't have to adjust mouse or net settings.. :lolru:

Supersniper98

02-04-2020, 14:14

If it was April Fools, I would post yesterday, sadly that is true) Yesterday 1000 hour Italian lost his mind, he kept saying I am some Russian's fake profile...

You are "wrong" because after your practice, you are telling me that you still lose 20-5 against Point Man... Come on, it's just like those italian guys who were happy when they fragged Stermy only one fucking time at Quake Live.

You have to win, you have to defeat him (if you still care something about that dead game, but I think the answer is 'no'): this is the only way to prove that with only a few hours you can beat anyone in the world.
Yes, I know you'd say "Then face him and try by yourself to frag him for 5 times" when 5 frags to Point Man would be impossible for me (especially now)... but there is nothing about being "happy" with this... I mean, you still lose the game if you do 5 but he does 20. Regardless of your level. I've never gotten why weak guys (in a general talking) do start a party and celebrations for having fragged a skilled player just 0+1 times in a whole game.

Of course I am happy) Because, he was trying and I play barely 1 month lol- AND NO, professional players don't train me, and about Fortress- nobody except few people have any idea how to play Fortress in this game today... the sad truth) There I literally don't put effort at all but they just don't seem to know how map works, I expect anything that they try to do) And you can tell Point Man gets a bit annoyed when he starts tea-bagging you xD
But fuck that fine, if you want results I can show you the many 500-700-1000 hours range players that I beat in some maps)) Some are so pissed that they don't even talk to me anymore!! (Mainly the ones that I beat in ALL maps)

Marco

03-04-2020, 16:52

If it was April Fools, I would post yesterday, sadly that is true) Yesterday 1000 hour Italian lost his mind, he kept saying I am some Russian's fake profile...

Of course I am happy) Because, he was trying and I play barely 1 month lol-

Oh, wait... You quoted one part and then it seems you are talking about that guy and not Point Man... I'm lost 7006, sorry: you are happy to lose 20-5 against Point or what? :huh: You are happy to pwn that 1000 hours guy? Then, if it is the second one, I could agree. :tup:

AND NO, professional players don't train me,

No, Alexanderys3009 is the trained player I referred to.

I think you don't need all of this stuff because you played the Classic Sam for over 7 years now... Or at least you made me understand something like that.. 7007

And you can tell Point Man gets a bit annoyed when he starts tea-bagging you xD

Annoyed? You may want to mean "bored", instead. "Annoying" is a mosquito, is The Annoying Orange or something that irritates you.

and about Fortress- nobody except few people have any idea how to play Fortress in this game today... the sad truth) There I literally don't put effort at all but they just don't seem to know how map works, I expect anything that they try to do)
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But fuck that fine, if you want results I can show you the many 500-700-1000 hours range players that I beat in some maps)) Some are so pissed that they don't even talk to me anymore!! (Mainly the ones that I beat in ALL maps)

If you have YouTube channel, please, post full videos (if you recorded demos) of you pulverizing them, :lol: especially at Fortress :lol:... I would ask directly for demos, but I can't use Steam anymore (however, I couldn't even boot SamHD from here)... Currently, I can access it via browser only... :(

Those pissed off guys are really so incapable that they won't even react??? I mean: neither a vote for 60 mins ban?

P. S.: Wot de fokk is diiis?? :o What did I just read? :blink:
7008

Translated: "Supersniper98 joined to Serious Sam HD: Melody's Server"

7009

I hope you didn't get COVID-19... :scared: :scared: :scared:

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Back to the topic: these days I'm helping my mother with school.

She has the laptop the school gave her (HP 250 G3, CPU Intel Celeron N2840, OS Windows 8.1 For Education) and now she has to meet her students in streaming for english lessons or other teachers for reunions. She has been told to use an american software called Zoom.

So, I brought her laptop near Vodafone Power Station, plugged ethernet cable, and I basically noticed this: although the children or other teachers connect mostly from their smartphones, they see Zoom's features some seconds before my mother (who is the host and starts the stream) does. This program has a 40 minutes-only limit for streams in the free plan. It tells you when there are only 10 minutes left before the stream automatically ends.

Well, it happened that children saw the notice some seconds before it would have appeared on my mother' screen. Lol, even if this children have parents who have born between the end of 70s and the early 80s (waaay younger than my mother) I don't think they know how to optimize their internet settings.

Also, during the streams, you see a lot of people "frozen" (usually there are 16-17/21-22 people connected at the same time) from their cameras. Sometimes (even if rarely) when they talk, you get half of the words, like when you have a normal phone call and your mobile has weak signal so you don't hear what the other person is saying to you.

So, to conclude this, I think my connection would still suck and stink too much to play Serious Sam decently. Or maybe it's the adapter. I checked for some tutorials for optimizing the client-side usage of Realtek PCIe FE Family adapter before starting the streams. This we have on every laptop. :(

EDIT: Ah, one more thing: some days ago I mentioned Space Invaders... We are talking about Serious Sam HD here... I'm retrieving some comments and I'm preparing a new thread for this weekend... :yes: No more spoiler for now. :)

Supersniper98

07-04-2020, 13:52

If you have YouTube channel, please, post full videos (if you recorded demos) of you pulverizing them, :lol: especially at Fortress :lol:... I would ask directly for demos, but I can't use Steam anymore (however, I couldn't even boot SamHD from here)... Currently, I can access it via browser only... :(

Those pissed off guys are really so incapable that they won't even react??? I mean: neither a vote for 60 mins ban?

You are right) I will record a game some time and hope for the best! I mean it doesn't cost me anything... It will be live tho, I don't like recording demos in this game because they are not very good... you can't see all the actions of a player clearly... mouse movements are smoothed out more than they need to, etc... spectator is even worse because ping affects them, even though its totally fine in Classic.

P. S.: Wot de fokk is diiis?? :o What did I just read? :blink:
7008

Translated: "Supersniper98 joined to Serious Sam HD: Melody's Server"

Well yes, I join that server often so I thought why not join the group, I thought I have to join to view the discussions but no, lol.... they are still broken)
7011

Marco

08-04-2020, 12:28

You are right) I will record a game some time and hope for the best! I mean it doesn't cost me anything... It will be live tho, I don't like recording demos in this game because they are not very good... you can't see all the actions of a player clearly... mouse movements are smoothed out more than they need to, etc... spectator is even worse because ping affects them, even though its totally fine in Classic.

Then you will record with an external program when fighting in real time. This also should capture the banner on the left when they'll start a kick/ban vote! :lol:

Well yes, I join that server often so I thought why not join the group, I thought I have to join to view the discussions but no, lol.... they are still broken)
7011

Omg... what a "service" they do... :pitiful:

Supersniper98

09-04-2020, 13:53

Then you will record with an external program when fighting in real time. This also should capture the banner on the left when they'll start a kick/ban vote! :lol:

Yes) Sadly, Fortress is not very often played but it is not a problem, I will also make a chat-zoom and vote-zoom binds for the video))

Marco

17-05-2020, 16:16

Personal opinion: if it is true that Windows 10 support expires in 2025, then it is not that convenient to buy now. In 2022-2023-2024 Microsoft could release a new OS, and I should change twice in 5 years? I still use Windows 7 since 2011 and I'm happy with it. Yeah, maybe I don't have to browse the internet that much, but 5 years is not 50 years. Let's only hope new Windows (how will they name it? Windows Twenty? Windows 40th Anniversary?) will be closer to 7 rather than 10.

Uhm, I just decided to google "Windows 10 successor" on the search bar and it came out the 10 support will end in 2029 (extended), not in 2025, and that Microsoft just announced "Windows 10 will be the LAST Windows OS"... And Wikipedia confirms that, too.

Then all of those articles (mostly in italian) I read months ago about 2025 as expiring date, were all lies and fake news... :pitiful: I should change my profession into journalist so that I will verify everything next time! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Supersniper98

17-05-2020, 16:47

Uhm, I just decided to google "Windows 10 successor" on the search bar and it came out the 10 support will end in 2029 (extended), not in 2025, and that Microsoft just announced "Windows 10 will be the LAST Windows OS"... And Wikipedia confirms that, too.

So how long do you plan to sit on Atom?

Then all of those articles (mostly in italian) I read months ago about 2025 as expiring date, were all lies and fake news... :pitiful: I should change my profession into journalist so that I will verify everything next time! :lol: :lol: :lol:

You don't have to be a journalist to do that)

Marco

18-05-2020, 09:31

So how long do you plan to sit on Atom?

This emergency state is the last thing I wanted to happen... I'll think about it again in 12-13 months... then, I'll choose first what's best between a laptop and a mini-tower (both categories, medium to high-end of course)...

You don't have to be a journalist to do that)

Yes, but if I work as a journalist, I can earn "public" funds. :D

Supersniper98

18-05-2020, 17:37

This emergency state is the last thing I wanted to happen... I'll think about it again in 12-13 months... then, I'll choose first what's best between a laptop and a mini-tower (both categories, medium to high-end of course)...

People here still buy stuff even if it's an emergency state, just takes longer to deliver

Marco

19-05-2020, 13:11

People here still buy stuff even if it's an emergency state, just takes longer to deliver

That happened to me, too, for a tractor part. Also, we have had a prohibition to buy electronics recently (now we are able to do again, but that could also happen again).